When you grow up in the north you learn to take slow baby steps on ice, that checking really does come from slipping, the first time. If you fall a second time, you neglected to check the first time.
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The Chiropractic profession has been slipping.
The Chiropractic profession has not been checking. (BJ 1949 Vol. 22) True as it ever was until OC
Steve,
1. Great analogy. Relying upon our philosophy and objective requires humility, “become as little children”, (as the Bible says) “taking slow baby steps” (as you say).
2. Thank you. I like to think that OC is contributing to that checking in some small way.
I will agree with Joe in that is a pretty good analogy. And unfortunately, as with what BJ was referring to, the profession has not only been slipping, but even some HAVE been checking and yet still refusing to correct the slipping. Personally, I think those kinds of folks are a bigger detriment and hastening factor to the demise of TIC than those that are naive and perhaps don’t know what they don’t know. They don’t know they need to check their slipping because they don’t see/feel themselves slipping.
Two people I know are going into surgery, one to remove her thyroid and the other to remove his tonsils because he was told catches strep throat too frequently.
I probably slipped but I am not sure. I commented on the appropriateness of removing body parts to relieve symptoms. I asked what the function of the tonsils were and what the effect of removing that function of that part would be for the body.
I tried my best to elicit their answers but did tell them how I felt.
I understand surgery is not the realm of chiropractic but that of medicine however, I am not entirely sure if I slipped here.
What do you think?
Don this is an excellent question that may very well warrant its own thread as this is something we are all faced with at one point or another, to one degree or another. On the surface, it is very easy to define where OSC begins and ends. The fact is though, we are not only chiropractors, but we are also caring, compassionate human beings especially when it comes to family and friends. When it comes to our children, and ourselves we have no choice but to make decisions sometimes critical, regarding our health. But when it comes to others, trying to educate someone (so they can make decisions for themselves) in a time of crisis is very difficult if not virtually impossible. Reggie was correct in saying that an OSC practice should consist 5% what we do with our hands and 95% what we do with our mouth, what we teach them. So IN a time of crisis they have information they can use to make an educated choice and not just do what the paternal authority figure says to do.
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In 2007 my brother was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Of course the news was devastating, as most everyone saw it as a death sentence. My brother being very computer savvy started looking things up and quickly found out the same info the mds were telling him, that he had less than a 5% chance of survival. This sent the family into a panic and they began hanging onto every word the mds said, as grim as they were. My brother looked to me and asked what should he do? I told him that I could not tell him what to do, that it would have to be his decision. He then asked what would I do if it were me. This is where many chiros take the route when asked by the “patient” what should they do says, well I can’t tell you what to do, BUT IF IT WERE ME…. A round about way of telling the “patient” what to do!
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He knew my thoughts on health and other things were waaay different than most thanks to our philosophy. I told him there was no such thing as an incurable disease, incurable people, yes, but no incurable diseases. For every disease known, someone has recovered. Stage 4 pan. ca was/is no different. I said at least the mds admit that “up to 5%” survive. He said ok, what now? I said I would search out for those “up to 5%”, find out what they did, duplicate what they did and with some “luck” receive the same results. I didn’t want to get too philosophical on him. He had his spine checked as regularly as I did, he just never got into the philosophical part. I told him I would search these people out for him and immediately went to work via the internet. I fairly quickly found 4, stage 4 pan ca survivors. 2 pointed me to the same website, 1 to another website and the 4th was just a culmination of many things she tried.
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I presented the info to my brother and his wife. His wife promptly presented the info to his drs with the results being perfectly predictable. They poo pooed them and strongly urged him to follow standard medical protocol. I asked the mds which side of the equation was my brother, the up to 5% that lived or the 95%+ that died??? Family members starting giving me THE eye. I pressed for an answer, to which they replied, we don’t know. Bingo, they at least got one right. I said does it make ANY sense, ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER to take a shot at HOPEFULLY being 1 of the 5% YOUR way when here are 4 people who were given up for dead and have since buried the mds who made their initial diagnosis??? At this point I was about to bust an aneurysm but did my best to keep my cool for my brother’s sake.
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I think we all know where this is headed as it was 1 (me) and a ½ (my brother) against the rest, with ultimately my brother and his wife making the decision. He ended up going the standard medical route and I supported him in his decision, even drove him to wherever he needed to go for whatever treatment. I watched him waste away over the next few months until one day he and I were sitting on his couch sharing some brotherly talk when he said, “I‘m sorry Tom, I made the wrong choice. I wish I had only listened to you”. 3 days later he passed away.
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Not a day goes by when I look up at the pic of us in happier times when I think, what if only I had said more…
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Don there is no right or wrong here. It’s according to each one’s conscience to know in their heart where to draw the line. I don’t have children but it’s an absolute war every time I have to take my crazy little dog to the vet, who just happens to be a very good friend and someone I actually for worked for 40 years ago! He and I just see things RADICALLY different and he‘s knows that I won’t budge on my position.
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We’ll never be able to reach everyone and even if we did many won’t accept our viewpoint of life and health. The best we can do is be a beacon of light with our philosophy and share it with everyone and anyone who will listen. This will enable then to breakaway from the stranglehold the so-called authority figures have over their lives and be able to make their own decisions about their life and health. Joe’s “Enhancing Your Life Experience” is an excellent start to sharing the ADIO viewpoint with all.
Tom,
Thank you for sharing the story of your brother. What he said to you during his last three days on earth was very moving as I appreciate you sharing it. My condolences on your loss.
Thanks to your story, I can now appreciate that “there is no right or wrong here. It’s according to each one’s conscience to know in their heart where to draw the line” and that the best we can do is share the viewpoint.
I have to admit that when the person is a close family members or trusted long time friend , it is very very challenging for me.
I have probably have busted an aneurysm or two in these situations. LOL! For them I believe it is worth it!!
Lastly and probably most importantly, you mentioned you supported him in his decision by driving him to wherever he needed to go for the treatments HE chose. You accepted his decision regardless of you opinion and gave him the space and freedom to choose. In my opinion, considering that was your brother and how strongly you felt about the situation, your acts speak VOLUMES about the kind of human being you are, Tom.
I will have to try that from now on.
Thanks for the glimpse into your life Tom!
Much appreciated!
Are those body parts and the body as a whole not functioning at its optimum potential due to VS?
Joe: Objective Chiropractic was in BJs mindset but so was getting sick people well that is why we have a so much symptom based chiro. pamphlets. In reality you can’t have it both ways or you are sending mixed messages. (Tough one 2 check- how about our chiro testimonial?) Reminds me of grace vs works…
But it may have taken that fall to help one “see the light” once again & get back in the right direction. It’s never too late to do something good.
When you grow up in the north you learn to take slow baby steps on ice, that checking really does come from slipping, the first time. If you fall a second time, you neglected to check the first time.
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The Chiropractic profession has been slipping.
The Chiropractic profession has not been checking. (BJ 1949 Vol. 22) True as it ever was until OC
Steve,
1. Great analogy. Relying upon our philosophy and objective requires humility, “become as little children”, (as the Bible says) “taking slow baby steps” (as you say).
2. Thank you. I like to think that OC is contributing to that checking in some small way.
I will agree with Joe in that is a pretty good analogy. And unfortunately, as with what BJ was referring to, the profession has not only been slipping, but even some HAVE been checking and yet still refusing to correct the slipping. Personally, I think those kinds of folks are a bigger detriment and hastening factor to the demise of TIC than those that are naive and perhaps don’t know what they don’t know. They don’t know they need to check their slipping because they don’t see/feel themselves slipping.
Therapeutic Chiropractic is the slippery slope and greed is the grease
Steve,
WOW! Never heard that one before. LOL!
That is pretty good, Steve! Haha
Two people I know are going into surgery, one to remove her thyroid and the other to remove his tonsils because he was told catches strep throat too frequently.
I probably slipped but I am not sure. I commented on the appropriateness of removing body parts to relieve symptoms. I asked what the function of the tonsils were and what the effect of removing that function of that part would be for the body.
I tried my best to elicit their answers but did tell them how I felt.
I understand surgery is not the realm of chiropractic but that of medicine however, I am not entirely sure if I slipped here.
What do you think?
Don this is an excellent question that may very well warrant its own thread as this is something we are all faced with at one point or another, to one degree or another. On the surface, it is very easy to define where OSC begins and ends. The fact is though, we are not only chiropractors, but we are also caring, compassionate human beings especially when it comes to family and friends. When it comes to our children, and ourselves we have no choice but to make decisions sometimes critical, regarding our health. But when it comes to others, trying to educate someone (so they can make decisions for themselves) in a time of crisis is very difficult if not virtually impossible. Reggie was correct in saying that an OSC practice should consist 5% what we do with our hands and 95% what we do with our mouth, what we teach them. So IN a time of crisis they have information they can use to make an educated choice and not just do what the paternal authority figure says to do.
——————
In 2007 my brother was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Of course the news was devastating, as most everyone saw it as a death sentence. My brother being very computer savvy started looking things up and quickly found out the same info the mds were telling him, that he had less than a 5% chance of survival. This sent the family into a panic and they began hanging onto every word the mds said, as grim as they were. My brother looked to me and asked what should he do? I told him that I could not tell him what to do, that it would have to be his decision. He then asked what would I do if it were me. This is where many chiros take the route when asked by the “patient” what should they do says, well I can’t tell you what to do, BUT IF IT WERE ME…. A round about way of telling the “patient” what to do!
——————-
He knew my thoughts on health and other things were waaay different than most thanks to our philosophy. I told him there was no such thing as an incurable disease, incurable people, yes, but no incurable diseases. For every disease known, someone has recovered. Stage 4 pan. ca was/is no different. I said at least the mds admit that “up to 5%” survive. He said ok, what now? I said I would search out for those “up to 5%”, find out what they did, duplicate what they did and with some “luck” receive the same results. I didn’t want to get too philosophical on him. He had his spine checked as regularly as I did, he just never got into the philosophical part. I told him I would search these people out for him and immediately went to work via the internet. I fairly quickly found 4, stage 4 pan ca survivors. 2 pointed me to the same website, 1 to another website and the 4th was just a culmination of many things she tried.
———————
I presented the info to my brother and his wife. His wife promptly presented the info to his drs with the results being perfectly predictable. They poo pooed them and strongly urged him to follow standard medical protocol. I asked the mds which side of the equation was my brother, the up to 5% that lived or the 95%+ that died??? Family members starting giving me THE eye. I pressed for an answer, to which they replied, we don’t know. Bingo, they at least got one right. I said does it make ANY sense, ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER to take a shot at HOPEFULLY being 1 of the 5% YOUR way when here are 4 people who were given up for dead and have since buried the mds who made their initial diagnosis??? At this point I was about to bust an aneurysm but did my best to keep my cool for my brother’s sake.
———————
I think we all know where this is headed as it was 1 (me) and a ½ (my brother) against the rest, with ultimately my brother and his wife making the decision. He ended up going the standard medical route and I supported him in his decision, even drove him to wherever he needed to go for whatever treatment. I watched him waste away over the next few months until one day he and I were sitting on his couch sharing some brotherly talk when he said, “I‘m sorry Tom, I made the wrong choice. I wish I had only listened to you”. 3 days later he passed away.
——————–
Not a day goes by when I look up at the pic of us in happier times when I think, what if only I had said more…
——————–
Don there is no right or wrong here. It’s according to each one’s conscience to know in their heart where to draw the line. I don’t have children but it’s an absolute war every time I have to take my crazy little dog to the vet, who just happens to be a very good friend and someone I actually for worked for 40 years ago! He and I just see things RADICALLY different and he‘s knows that I won’t budge on my position.
——————
We’ll never be able to reach everyone and even if we did many won’t accept our viewpoint of life and health. The best we can do is be a beacon of light with our philosophy and share it with everyone and anyone who will listen. This will enable then to breakaway from the stranglehold the so-called authority figures have over their lives and be able to make their own decisions about their life and health. Joe’s “Enhancing Your Life Experience” is an excellent start to sharing the ADIO viewpoint with all.
Thank You Tom
Tom,
Thank you for sharing the story of your brother. What he said to you during his last three days on earth was very moving as I appreciate you sharing it. My condolences on your loss.
Thanks to your story, I can now appreciate that “there is no right or wrong here. It’s according to each one’s conscience to know in their heart where to draw the line” and that the best we can do is share the viewpoint.
I have to admit that when the person is a close family members or trusted long time friend , it is very very challenging for me.
I have probably have busted an aneurysm or two in these situations. LOL! For them I believe it is worth it!!
Lastly and probably most importantly, you mentioned you supported him in his decision by driving him to wherever he needed to go for the treatments HE chose. You accepted his decision regardless of you opinion and gave him the space and freedom to choose. In my opinion, considering that was your brother and how strongly you felt about the situation, your acts speak VOLUMES about the kind of human being you are, Tom.
I will have to try that from now on.
Thanks for the glimpse into your life Tom!
Much appreciated!
Are those body parts and the body as a whole not functioning at its optimum potential due to VS?
Joe: Objective Chiropractic was in BJs mindset but so was getting sick people well that is why we have a so much symptom based chiro. pamphlets. In reality you can’t have it both ways or you are sending mixed messages. (Tough one 2 check- how about our chiro testimonial?) Reminds me of grace vs works…
It’s never too late to check one’s slipping. Where there is life, there is hope!