We must not allow the intellectualism of objective chiropractic make us arid, that is, without emotion, excitement and enthusiasm. Sometimes that is difficult especially when we are continually forced into a defensive and combative position. We need to be excited about enabling the innate forces of the body to be more fully expressed and how that relates to life, rather than the alleviation of sickness. We must express that excitement to those with whom we come in contact.
Absolutely! And this is problem one of the great criticisms of the NTOSC model is that because we don’t “get excited” about the fact when people get well, their symptoms improve or many aspects of their life change to a perceptibly positive direction, we are considered, cold, callous and uncaring.
Personally, I think nothing could be further from the truth. While we don’t place as much emphasis on “results” as a need or basis either for care or to determine the “effectiveness” of care, it doesn’t mean we don’t get excited, passionate, enthusiastic or without emotion or even “celebrate” with folks. I love when people’s function, health & lives improve. It is exactly what their Innate Intelligence might need to do at that moment. I am happy for them. But I also love it just as well when their function, health and lives SEEM NOT to improve, because it too may be exactly what their II’s SHOULD be doing at that moment.
That is the pure beauty of the philosophy and practical approach of OSC, it has a hand in a better expression of their Innate Intelligence either way. We can help ALL folks with a spine, a pulse, a nerve system AND a VS, regardless of perceptible changes in symptoms or physiological measurements or not.
Hey Joe,
“We need to be excited about enabling the innate forces of the body to be more fully expressed and how that relates to life, rather than the alleviation of sickness.” I like the way you said that and fully agree. ADIO is a one way proposition. Shouldn’t we offer Chiropractic the same way. If we are to LACS without regard to outcomes wouldn’t it be preferable to look at the dissemination of our philosophy the same way? Giving someone the concepts of UI, II, IF, Subluxation and100% I+F+M=Life, is IMO the philosophical EUF. What people do with that information is between them and their educated intelligence. If we choose to elaborate the detriments of not getting OC isn’t that analogous to the TSC claiming subluxations cause specific diseases? Let’s get exited about what Chiropractic does do and give more of that. As Michael states above, we don’t know what the results will be, so why attach so much significance to them. This blog is an excellent example. When you post a statement is it to make some reader think like you or is it just to make them think? Are you attached to the outcome or the process?
By the way this blog is hot tonight, pretty good for a Sunday evening, eh?
Steve, it is rewarding to hear so much discussion especially when the majority of it is not coming from Claude and me. To answer your question; the traditional chiropractor is telling an untruth. He doesn’t know whether the VS is the (only) cause of the disease or whether a person will manifest a disease with vs. They may be hit by a truck before their body breaks down enough to manifest any symptoms. We OSC can truthfully say certain things. The body will work less than 100% every time if the vs is not corrected. Every aspect of function (You can even enumerate them) will be decreased although we should explain that perhaps not in a perceptible range. The brick in the bathtub and ocean is a good analogy that can be used in that case.
OK Joe
You danced around that one well. Let me ask you point blank, have you ever told anyone “if you don’t get adjusted you will die”? Let’s face it the majority of people that live to advanced years do so without chiropractic. A brick in the ocean is a long way from “your killing your kids”.
I can only answer for myself —- no! Never have I told someone they will die if they don’t get adjusted. Do chiropractors actually say that to people?
no. Only God knows the time, manner, and place of your death. I’ve also never told anyone “if you do get adjusted you will die” (which is true barring the rapture.)
Steve,
Not to answer for Dr. Strauss but there are many causes of disease and death and we can’t attribute it to subluxation all the time. Some people who are unsubluxated die as well. No?
For these reasons, I choose to not state if you don’t get adjusted YOU WILL die.
We can say with certainty that the body will work less than 100% if subluxated.
Is there anything that the OSC can say with certainty with respect to death?
I am not sure where Steve and Bob got the idea that anyone is telling some that they will die if they don’t get adjusted? Maybe I missed something in these threads, but who said that?
There is a difference between saying that VS interferes with the expression of II, causes Dis-Ease, causes cells and tissues to die, robs people of quality and quantity of life and is a detriment to life (whatever percentage that may actually be) and saying YOU WILL DIE if you don’t get adjusted, as that implies a singular cause of death being lack of adjustment.
Steve says…”We can say with certainty that the body will work less than 100% if subluxated.”
This is true. Now, if an individual is functioning less than a 100% (which is 100% LIFE), then what is the other % filled with…Jelly Beans? Nightmares and screams? Clouds? Pop Tarts? I would suggest it is filled with Death.
To put it into perspective, it can be viewed as an “entity” vs. “non-entity” thing. If there is 100% light in a room, then there is no darkness. If there is 50% light (Life) in a room, then there by default must be 50% darkness (Death)
Steve also says…”Is there anything that the OSC can say with certainty with respect to death?”
I thought that this was already apparent by the definition of the objective of non-therapeutic, objective straight chiropractic. No?
Correction, meant “Don says”…
Hey Michael,
This offshoot stems from the Reggie quote, If they leave their children at home they are killing their kids. Now I personally never heard him say this but others have said it is so. The point is, to say this in front of a bunch of Chiro.s or Chiro. students is one thing, Reggie was leading a movement, he was inspired and dedicated. To say the same thing to a mother is an abhorrent egotistical domineering manipulation.
I have nothing but the the highest respect for Dr. Reggie Gold and the clarification he brought to a profession I love dearly but to use his words out of context , as mentioned above is despicable.
Let’s face it, one could just as easily say, if you let your children eat breakfast cereal, your killing your kids.
Don 06/24/2013, 8:46 pm:
Is there anything that the OSC can say with certainty with respect to death?”
Yup, no one will get out of this life alive, make the most of it by staying subluxation free! 🙂
Tom strikes again! 😉
Another beautifully simple observation. I fully agree.
WHAT amazes me is the “mission” of innate intelligence which is to maintain the material of the body of a “living thing” in active organization.
ACTIVE organization reveals that matter dies everyday in “living things” and is re-created moment to moment. We “live” with this phenomena day after day without giving it any thoughts. And we seem to miss it all together as we take it for granted. We focus ONLY on the death of the end of life which is “contained” within the LAW of LIFE that which is actively organizing matter through cellular replacement in a vitalistic way including deaths and births through constant motion.
Very good point, Claude. And LOTS of things in this world contribute to “killing” us, subluxation only being one of them. And the ONLY one we as a profession should be concerned with.
Steve, I understand whay you are saying and knew where the offshoot came from. My point was that there is a difference between saying thngs like “subluxation causes/contributes to death”, “if you leave your kids home to stay subluxated, you’re killing them”, etc. and saying “you’ll die if you don’t get adjusted”. That is a huge leap to a totally different context that just cannot be made. Words aren’t the only important thing for clarification, so too is how you say.them.
And your breakfast cereal example…although less harsh, can be a true statement. And anti-sweetendd cereal proponents have no issues throwing it out there. Neither do anti-fast food, anti-smoking, anti-energy drink, anti-soda, anti-drug, anti-gun, anti-teen driving, anti-cell phone folks. I am sure the list is long, but you get the point.
Just like wih VS, you could insert any of the abovr into the two statement and have realtively the same difference.
“you’re give your kid cigarettes, you’re killing them!” Or “you gonna DIE if you don’t stop smoke cigarettes!”
Two separate statement regarding death, yet different meanings altogether due to context and how words were used.
Listen, I am not arguing these points here to argue, but rather paint the picture that VS is a serious and detrimental thing that robs an individual of life. I loved Reggie and everything he has given us and taught us. It is highly doubtful we’d even be having this discussion had he not been WHO he CHOSE to be. I agree that his phrase might seem a bit harsh, especially to a new young mother. But I don’t consider it an abhorrent, egotistical domineering manipulation for the reasons I ha e used above. Yes, it must be used with caution and perhaps only in certain company to make a point.
You reference taking it out of context. Please clarify.
Steve is on fire tonight!
The only thing I would change with that post is were you stated that WE should give someone the concept. Thanks to Dr. Lessards tutelage, I would instead elect to say we should EDUCE from them the concepts ADIO.
I was once asked why I don’t participate in anti-war demonstrations. I said that I will never do that, but as soon as you have a pro-peace rally, I’ll be there.
Mother Teresa –
I am not anti-death, I am pro living, ADIO
Steve
Never read that quote. Thanks Steve.
Greetings ya’ll,
(YES-what Michael said) I recall Reggie saying the ” killing your kids ” phrase in the Philosophy albums–in which he was talking to Chiros mainly & CAs (ask Tom-he was there!-lucky dog) . Reggie was stressing that in the new PM orientation, the prospective PM will: 1. not listen 2. listen & understand and if so (will either believe what you say OR not) 3.if the PM does NOT believe,they most likely will not bring their kids 4.if the PM does believe your OSC orientation-they will bring the kids despite any obstacles OR COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THEIR KIDS
Nathan,
This “clarity of seeing” that Reggie demonstrated on the Philosophy albums was not, for the most part, coming from flashes of insights. No, this “clarity of seeing” came from long, arduous, and conflicting times of deep, difficult and untiring reflection and contemplation. –
– WHEN you were in “private” conversation with Reggie or even in class, he was relentless for going with the subject matter until it was “finished”. Meaning that, most of the time, we concluded its resolution. From that point on, if there was nothing else to say, for Reggie it was done and over with and “he washed his mind of all compromise”… then, he CARRIED ON! —
– That is WHY the ongoing CONVERSATION on this blog should exhaust the subject of it inquiries before moving to something else. Otherwise, it will only remain personal “opinions”. –
– Let us carry on! ADIO.
Hey Folks,
Checking and adjusting children is one of the most important things we do. In fact it is the second most enjoyable part of my practice, after seeing the “ah ha” moment when people connect with Chiropractic. It took a keen mind to realize a PM’s involvment could and indeed should include the ones they love. Children, spouses, siblings, parents, neighbors, coworkers, all deserve to be offered the benifits and positive survival values of regular care. When it happens it is a beautiful thing.
To suggest however that they are killing the ones they love by not bringing them in is a moral slap in the face. Are they really, purposely, trying to destroy what they value most? Of course not.
OC is LACVS to facillitate the reestablishment of Innate Forces of the Innate Intelligence of the body. Period. It is not judgement of lifestyles or morality, that would dishonor their individuality.
Maybe it comes down to communication styles. I choose not to leave that impression.
We must not allow the intellectualism of objective chiropractic make us arid…or bullies.
Sorry Joe, did not mean to co-opt/corrupt your post, it just fit.
Steve,
WHAT is the REAL question that’s involved here? Let us, together without condemnation, inquire into it and see WHERE it goes… shall we? 😉
… and the REAL question is… : –
– WHO needs chiropractic care in YOUR community and WHY?
Hey Claude,
A slip on the sidewalk, in winter, is a SMALL thing. It happens
to millions. A fall off a ladder, in summer, is a SMALL thing. This
happens to millions. The slip or the fall subluxates an atlas or axis.
That specific subluxation is a small thing. The atlas or axis
produces pressure upon spinal cord, with its trillions of fibres.
That pressure is a SMALL thing. This specific pressure produces
interferences and reduces flow of life force. That decreased flow is
a SMALL thing. That decreased quantity flow of mental impulse
supply produces a specific dis-eased brain or body. THAT is a BIG
thing to THAT person. Multiply THAT man by a thousand, and
you control the physical and mental welfare of a city. Multiply
THAT man by a million and you shape the physical and mental
destiny of a state. Multiply THAT man by 120 million and you
forecast and prophesy the mental and physical status of a nation. (VOL.18)
Steve,
Very well. WHO amongst the people of your community are the most likely to be dependent on others to be under your care and/or the most “vulnerable” as to NOT be able to be under your care?
Hey Claude,
Let’s see, the young, the old and the four legged. (not 4 legged people of course but if it ever comes up I will find or develop a technique for that too)
Believe me, I understand the sentiment, just not the delivery. In this case I don’t think the question is “who most needs care” it is how do we best convey that message. Insults,no. Education, yes.
Steve,
… “the young, the old and the four legged” are those WHO are “dependent” on someone to receive your care. If that’s correct, WHERE is the insult if you point to someone the tragic consequences of VS? What would you say to someone WHO understand WHAT you think, say or do and believe WHO you are choosing to BE and leave their children at home? It is they WHO choose to do that. HOW will you invent a NEW possibility for yourself and your life in order to resonate with these people? It is you WHO choose to generate instructive information that will create an opportunity for a “break through”, inspire them and move them to bring their children in to have their spines checked? Do you really think that more education will make it happen? I even if you were to legislate a mandatory law for having their kids come to your office it would not work. Look at how many parents have their kids in their car while they text and drive at the same time. WHAT these people need is an awareness of the consequences of VS, not only a knowledge of them. –
– It is YOUR conviction that VS do interfere with the full expression of the innate forces of the body that must, in YOUR educated mind FIRST, translates into a lack of MOTION (pri.14) in the PM. If it does, and I believe it does in your case, then YOU are confronted with the fact that it is you WHO have to choose HOW to create the instructive information in order to resonate and inspire these people to move from leaving their kids at home to bringing them to the office. –
– It is my experience, that for THEM people, it is NOT an insult. It is the truth! And it is said, in a book that you are familiar with, that the truth shall set you free. For the few that come to you that way, it is you WHO can choose to BE courage, and say it like it is. You might be surprisingly astonished. I am at times! After all, matter can have no motion without the application of force by intelligence (pri.15). Believe it or not, it is a different code of instructive information that resonates with that type of people and they do appreciate you IF it works. If it does not… well you’ve done your best and you’ve got many spines to check. This way of coding instructive information is NOT for many PMs, only those WHO understand WHO you choose to BE and WHO believe in you.
– This type can ONLY be dealt with… well, you know that already!
– Let us carry on! ADIO.
… and as Joseph mentioned in his opening post, “we must express that excitement with those we come in contact with”… WITHOUT CONDEMNATION.