To say that we do not know the working of the mental impulse so we have made up a metaphysical theory begs the question. Science with all its studies, money, research, grants, and universities has not demonstrated a mechanistic explanation for the transmission of information from the brain to the tissue cells. The problem is theoretical inadequacy and global disciplinary failure of neurophysiology. They have no other theories that work and all attempts to falsify our theory have failed. August 25 2010
Be that as it may,
1. does anyone know to what extent, empirical science HAS demonstrated the mechanistic explanation for the transmission of information from the brain to the tissue cells.
As it states in 33 principles
p28. The Conductors of Innate Forces – The forces of Innate Intelligence operate through or over the nerve system in animal bodies.
2. On the same note, It would appear that while the principles 2-33 are (said) deductions, this one is an induction >> yes/no and if not, explain to me the deduction
Please, no guillotine references, or hanging, or cns nerve death – pull the plug references (while these are inductions-(observations) – people die from water or food deprivation (certainly doesn’t imply Mental impulse travel using water or food!)
Anyone?
Here’s my dilemma. (See Below Overview)
The nervous system as has been described countless times, Even As The Quintessential CHIROPRACTIC NERVE Chart is Crude!
This nervous system (see below) IS NOT THE Nervous System that Science with all its studies, money, research, grants, and universities
that has not demonstrated a mechanistic explanation for the transmission of information from the brain to the tissue cells.
Yet this is the inductive nervous system that has been principled 28 – to carry THE MENTAL IMPULSE.
I get it. I can assume it. I believe it. But within a bedrock of chiropractic philosophical 33 principles??? For me. I need a stronger philosophical deductive/inductive connection.
I keep harping on this. With very little response from this peanut gallery and frankly, I’m surprised.
Or maybe it’s me.
Help me here
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Overview of the Autonomic Nervous System
The autonomic nervous system regulates certain body processes, such as blood pressure and the rate of breathing. This system works automatically (autonomously), without a person’s conscious effort.
Disorders of the autonomic nervous system can affect any body part or process. Autonomic disorders may result from other disorders that damage autonomic nerves (such as diabetes), or they may occur on their own. Autonomic disorders may be reversible or progressive.
Anatomy:
The autonomic nervous system is the part of the nervous system that supplies the internal organs, including the blood vessels, stomach, intestine, liver, kidneys, bladder, genitals, lungs, pupils, heart, and sweat, salivary, and digestive glands (see Autonomic Nervous System).
The autonomic nervous system has two main divisions:
Sympathetic
Parasympathetic
After the autonomic nervous system receives information about the body and external environment, it responds by stimulating body processes, usually through the sympathetic division, or inhibiting them, usually through the parasympathetic division.
An autonomic nerve pathway involves two nerve cells. One cell is located in the brain stem or spinal cord. It is connected by nerve fibers to the other cell, which is located in a cluster of nerve cells (called an autonomic ganglion). Nerve fibers from these ganglia connect with internal organs. Most of the ganglia for the sympathetic division are located just outside the spinal cord on both sides of it. The ganglia for the parasympathetic division are located near or in the organs they connect with.
Function:
The autonomic nervous system controls blood pressure, heart and breathing rates, body temperature, digestion, metabolism (thus affecting body weight), the balance of water and electrolytes (such as sodium and calcium), the production of body fluids (saliva, sweat, and tears), urination, defecation, sexual response, and other processes.
Many organs are controlled primarily by either the sympathetic or the parasympathetic division. Sometimes the two divisions have opposite effects on the same organ. For example, the sympathetic division increases blood pressure, and the parasympathetic division decreases it. Overall, the two divisions work together to ensure that the body responds appropriately to different situations.
Generally, the sympathetic division prepares the body for stressful or emergency situations—fight or flight. Thus, it increases heart rate and the force of heart contractions and widens (dilates) the airways to make breathing easier. It causes the body to release stored energy. Muscular strength is increased. This division also causes palms to sweat, pupils to dilate, and hair to stand on end. It slows body processes that are less important in emergencies, such as digestion and urination.
The parasympathetic division controls body process during ordinary situations. Generally, it conserves and restores. It slows the heart rate and decreases blood pressure. It stimulates the digestive tract to process food and eliminate wastes. Energy from the processed food is used to restore and build tissues.
Both the sympathetic and parasympathetic divisions are involved in sexual activity, as are the parts of the nervous system that control voluntary actions and transmit sensation from the skin (somatic nervous system).
Divisions of the Autonomic Nervous System
Division
Effects
Sympathetic
Increases the following:
Heart rate and force of heart contractions
Release of energy stored in the liver
The speed at which energy is used to perform body functions while a person is at rest (basal metabolic rate)
Muscle strength
Widens the airways to make breathing easier
Causes sweaty palms
Decreases functions that are less important in an emergency (such as digestion and urination)
Controls the release of semen (ejaculation)
Parasympathetic
Stimulates the digestive tract to process food and eliminate wastes (in bowel movements)
Slows the heart rate
Reduces blood pressure
Controls erections
David,
David,
You posted: “An autonomic nerve pathway involves two nerve cells. One cell is located in the brain stem or spinal cord. It is connected by nerve fibers to the other cell, which is located in a cluster of nerve cells (called an autonomic ganglion). Nerve fibers from these ganglia connect with internal organs”. –
– The purpose of the nerve system is to TRANSMIT nerve impulses that may, or may NOT (if VS is present) CARRY coded instructive information to these “internal organs” FOR COORDINATION OF ACTION. –
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Claude,
With regards to
‘FOR COORDINATION OF ACTION” – how many actions are we talking about? 10? 20?, 100?, 1000?, 1,000,000?
What’s your guestimation, for discussion sake
Dave,
Coordination of action is the domain of innate intelligence and educated intelligence is NO way capable to answer your question. Suffice to say that your question is lived by you and I at this very moment. 🙂
Claude,
The reason for my inquiry was to hone in on once again my original point.
Let’s say DD & BJ’s discovery-development happened before anyone new of a nervous system, or had any idea of its function, or presumed function. DD racked a bump on HL’s back and he could hear.
BJ came along, made the same universal observations, that’s been identifiable since the beginning (well not really – universe, earth center of the universe – wrong!), but stars, seasons, many universal phenomenon that could have been observed.
So BJ developed the deductive principles from a major premise, and had to explain how intelligence unites with matter (what ever that could have been (ether, ?? maybe the ether was the intelligence >> whatever)…. and then came to how was he going to join what he observed – The triune and related it to what DD did?
He’d not know about the nervous system, and if he did >> the functionalities where so global (dilating pupils, heart rate increase, decrease, digestive stimulation, inhibition) >> Certainly not within the realm of integration and power to COORDINATE ALL BODY ACTIVITIES.
My point?
He’d have to pick something.
A series of principles to explain the chiropractic objective?
that being to ADJUST (concussion of forces), into this bumpy thing (spine) >> to ALLOW ii to create if to promote coordination or maintain active organization of the body. When it’s dead >> decomposes >> a universal intelligence party.
Chiropractic sees LIFE as a vitalistic entity, as we all know. Yet
Mechanism, Chemistry, the processes and complexities of processes and cascades (yes i’ve said this before)…. Well, this mechanism is incredibly complex and detailed, seemingly going on and on to the molecular, atomic level, but yet still mechanistic.
So where does this vitalism come in? We say it’s the Signs of Life that suggest it >> Innate Intelligence >> the intelligence factor.
Man, the machine is (and this is the leap), a DEAD machine.
so we jump to LIFE and I get that…
but Coordinating it, down to the atom? down to the most minute mechanistic process?? thru the nervous system?? that as defined in it’s infancy as Functioning to cause ciliary muscle to dilate or contract, or a muscle to twitch or not twitch, to generate a peristaltic motion?? That’s it?? a spritz of adrenaline for fight or flight??? that’s it>> that’s the coordination???
SOMETHING HERE DOESN’T MAKE SENSE??
There is a HUGE MONSTROUS LEAP OF FAITH HERE.
I see no deduction, jumping from principles 1-27 TO 28…
I’m perplexed. Science has either not caught up with Chiropractic as a sinful, SINFUL!!!! breach of Scientific investigation, or Chiropractic has overstated it’s philosophical deductively presented assumptions about LIFE!
It’s funny, I remember seeing in chiropractic school, the blinking Nerve chart as an explanation to patients about the nervous system and it’s relevance to the adjustment, to the subluxation, etc. I’d laugh, to myself, I’d be embarrassed because I intuitively (yes I know not the best way to process logic) got the 33 principles >> But again, something was, is, and still is OUT OF ALIGNMENT. and I don’t think it’s ME!
Unless it is
David,
Aren’t water and food OIBU and mental impulse ADIO? Aren’t you comparing apple and oranges? Perhaps this is the source of your dilemma regarding our theory. We are explaining philosophically WHAT cannot and will not be explained mechanically. Just last week, from the Journal of Immunology, researchers show that B cells participate in the development of “regulatory T cells”. It was UNKNOWN last month! The mental impulse is ONLY for COORDINATION of ACTIVITIES and the TRANSMITTING matter is the specially CODED cells of the nerve system. DR. CHUNG HA SUH, researcher from the Unuversity of Colorado, concluded, without any doubts, that VS interferes with TRANMISSION of NERVE impulse. Philosophically, a nerve impulse is a universal force without intelligent direction that can be adapted by innate intelligence and coded with specific instructive information with intelligent direction which will be carried to the tissue cell from brain cell throough the nerve system for COORDINATION of ACTION.
What came first, the concept, the philosophical deduction of II
or the deduction that a nerve impulse is a universal force without intelligent direction that can be adapted by some type of this intelligence and coded with specific instructive information with intelligent direction which will be carried to the tissue cell from some higher controlling organ through this system for COORDINATION of ACTION.
It’s an assumption, based on anatomy and inductive observation, NOT a philosophical deduction yes/no
It’s like the answer came before the question…
DD put a force into a spine and a result manifested.
Then the philosophy as to why or how came after.
I suppose the difficulty in deduction is also
the mixing of metaphysical elements and physical elements.
The metaphysical are deduced, the physical (matter), are induced
yes/no
Here’s another example
I have this 5 things on my hand.
They’re called fingers
When I point to things I can imagine a line going to the objects and touching those objects I”m pointing at. Are those metaphysical
impressions really touching those objects? Metaphysically?
Maybe a poor example, but hey, we’ve all heard of these concepts now of Tensegrity. It’s a structural concept, connecting all macrostructure to micostructure. Who’s to say that it’s not Tension within Spinal Structures where mental impulses or Mental Innate forces are being sent, etc.
I’m not saying it’s not the nervous system. It is odd that anatomically, the nervous system has receptors that are identifiable, anatomical, and seemingly not ALL INCLUSIVE to what one could necessarily expect as a vehicle for reception of II. Yes I know the afferent side is not II required. It’s the efferent side.
That’s why with the Nerve Autonomic Nervous system, as has been described – it’s all gross motor effects. NOT CELL to CELL.
Yes I agree it is logical and perhaps one can assume that the nervous system, being a communication system, and a system that transmits forces COULD be part of the principles of II interference. Yes I agree.
But again, 33 Principles are a PHILOSOPHY. NOT a anatomy theory, or a physiology theory. It’s suppose to be a Major Premise and then deductions >>> I just fail to 100% be able to say to myself
II uses the NERVOUS SYSTEM as it’s mean to carry THE MENTAL IMPULSE.
Maybe i’m being stubborn, or close minded, or ignorant, or STUPID,
or resistant. I don’t know what it is. It’s like I need 2,3,4 more deductions in there to arrive at the conclusion of Principle 28..
I exasperate myself >>> OY
David,
Hold on to the paradox… It’s alright to be conflicted. Our theory has not be dis-proven as of yet. Get busy with your practice and IMPROVISE… it’s guarantee that ALL the rest will follow. 😉
… in other words, live your questions and don’t worry about the answers… the answers will come WHEN you are ready. 😉
Dave,
You posted: …”but Coordinating it, down to the atom? down to the most minute mechanistic process?? thru the nervous system??” Innate intelligence is NOT responsible for EXISTENCE… universal intelligence is (pri.1). When it is you WHO choose to ascribe universal functions to innate functions, it is you WHO create your own dilemma. 😉 –
– Configuration and velocity of electrons, protons and neutrons on the existence level is the function of universal intelligence (pri.8) and those instructive information unite intelligence and e/matter on the existence level (pri.10). It is e/matter that has for function the expression of those instructive information (pri.13) and will manifest them through motion (pri.14). It’s principle #18 that acknowledges ACTIVE organization which deals with “living things” and is maintained by innate intelligence through the evidence of the signs of life. Since innate intelligence is COMPLETE (Pri.22) and its function is to adapt universal forces and e/matter for COORDINATION of ACTION of all the PARTS of the body for mutual benefit (pri.23) within the limits of adaptation (pri.24) we see that the law of ACTIVE organization and its function is ALWAYS normal (pri.27). For animal bodies to be LIVING, which mean to be maintained in ACTIVE organization, innate intelligence adapts universal forces and e/matter (pri.23) specifically coding instructive information and TRANSMIT them through the nervous system (pri.28) for COORDINATION of ACTIONS of ALL the parts of the body for mutual benefit in order to maintain “living” e/matter ALIVE (pri.21) by evidencing the signs of life (pri.18).
Yes yes yes. I agree. With your application of the 33 principles. I know you and many accept them as the Authority. I get that. And yes I over reached mechanistic processes which have from what we know, processing functions, protein switch cell membrane channel functions, metabolic pathways, carrier molecular functions, chemistry to the hilt that move generate mobilize and on and on. Down to the inhibitory molecule, a mechanistic wonder of intelligent design.
These 1000s maybe 1000000s of mechanisms operate at some level, at the switch of innate forces. Where these switches lie are from what I can see at the molecular level. The elemental level are universal matter processes. But the switch. The interface is somewhere perhaps molecular at some physical metaphysical interface. Yes I know interface is a mechanistic term. Ummm we can call it active organization level or a coordination realm where nerve organelle meets cell(s) for the purpose of mental impulse information triune establishment. LIFE
I’m getting to the understanding that our theories of Life and of the triune should not even enter the realm of a particular anatomical structure. It’s irrelevant.
Just say the vertebral subluxation exists because we theorize that they exist, can suggest that they exist, we don’t even remove its existence. Ii does. So we put an educate force into the spinal column. Identify the adjustment completion and know that universal forces can be converted to innate forces and subluxation can be removed by ii.
The matter that carries the mental impulse, the nerve, is theory, not philosophy, and it doesn’t matter.
I know I’m creating a hole here because I’m leaving out the nervous system but one again the claim is that the physical function of the nervous system is NOT the same as it’s metaphysical function( to transmit innate forces to cells of which point of destination is unknown and might be metaphysical anyway.
I don’t know why I’m trying so hard.
Please read this part at least (see below)
I guess imagining a nerve connection to a muscle motor point and that’s what’s anatomically there. And stretching that to a never communicating to EVERY CELL is and always has been a major kaniption (forgive my spelling) a head squeezer, a WHAT? Really? How?
I don’t know Claude. You keep coming back to me siting 33 principle relationships and pathways as though that’s the truth now accept it and here’s how it works.
I keep wanting to discuss these deductions specifically as to which ones or one are NOT deductions but inductive observations that may be true or may not be true and those issues reek havoc on my FCB (faith confidence and belief) I didn’t have to interpret that for you 🙂
Typo 9 lines from bottom – dang iPads
And stretching that to (interpreting that to be) a nerve communicating to EVERY CELL is and always has been a major kiniption, a head stopper, Really? How?
I don’t know Claude. You keep coming back to me siting 33 principle relationships and pathways as though that’s the truth now accept it and here’s how it works.
I keep wanting to discuss these deductions specifically as to which ones or one are NOT deductions but inductive observations that may be true or may not be true and those issues reek havoc on my FCB (faith confidence and belief) I didn’t have to interpret that for you. I do appreciate your efforts.
Ps got a call from an ole patient of mine tonight. He moved and just wanted to say thank you. Told me he found a new Chiro. Told me he’s good but he does get that metaphysical feeling like he does with me.
That was interesting. And I take no credit 🙂
Claude
Typo 9 lines from bottom – dang iPads
And stretching that to (interpreting that to be) a nerve communicating to EVERY CELL is and always has been a major kiniption, a head stopper, Really? How?
I don’t know Claude. You keep coming back to me siting 33 principle relationships and pathways as though that’s the truth now accept it and here’s how it works.
I keep wanting to discuss these deductions specifically as to which ones or one are NOT deductions but inductive observations that may be true or may not be true and those issues reek havoc on my FCB (faith confidence and belief) I didn’t have to interpret that for you. I do appreciate your efforts.
Ps got a call from an ole patient of mine tonight. He moved and just wanted to say thank you. Told me he found a new Chiro. Told me he’s good but he does get that metaphysical feeling like he does with me.
That was interesting. And I take no credit 🙂
David,
There is absolutely NO truth to what you mentioned regarding “And stretching that to (interpreting that to be) a nerve communicating to EVERY CELL”. There is NO way that it could ever be true. Where in the 33 principles do you get that?
Lexicon
1.Mental Forces: A mental force is that something, transmitted by nerves, which unites intelligence with matter. Mental force is called mental impulse because it impels tissue cells to intelligence action.
Are you saying that references in chiropractic philosophy have never alluded to communication from brain cell to tissue cell?
And
21. The Mission of Innate Intelligence – The mission of Innate Intelligence is to maintain the material of the body of a “living thing” in active organization.
Plus
28. The Conductors of Innate Forces – The forces of Innate Intelligence operate through or over the nerve system in animal bodies.
Plus
23. The Function of Innate Intelligence – The function of Innate Intelligence is to adapt universal forces and matter for use in the body, so that all parts of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit.
There has been so much discussion about cell ii and that body ii overrides cell ii celfish mission.
How?
True, in the 33 principles there is no reference to cells, or for that matter nerves (nervous system is used), but there are implications and discussions do suggest a 1:1 relationship between a single cells need and the workings of innate intelligence.
Go ahead. Without condemnation correct me or orient me.
Stephenson’s Chiropractic Textbook: “a vertebra that has lost its proper juxtaposition with the one above, the one below or both to a degree less than a luxation which occludes an opening, impinges a nerve and interferes with the transmission of mental impulses between brain and tissue cell.
There it is mental impulse between brain and tissue cell
David,
So if you really think that brain cell to tissue cell implies a nerve fiber for each tissue cell from the brain cell, how would that work with erythrocytes? Principle 23 mentions: “… PARTS of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit”… it does NOT talk about the singularity of each tissue cell… does it not? –
– DD, BJ and Stephenson’s NEVER entertained the possibility of cellular intelligence, organ intelligence or system intelligence. They did NOT have the information necessary to “see” that. Their understanding was based on the knowledge of the beginning of the 20th century and they assumed that innate intelligence was located within the physical brain above and that it communicated to every tissue cells down below via nerve fibers. They did extremely well considering the limited amount of information available to them. Today, it is we WHO can choose to pour the NEW information into the NEW structural container of chiropractic knowledge and allow our understanding to deepen. –
– For you to state that “there are implications and discussions do suggest a 1:1 relationship between a single cells need and the workings of innate intelligence” with one specific brain cell transmitting information through one specific nerve fiber to one specific tissue cell is using OLD information and pour it into NEW structural containers and it does not fit… like shoving a square into a peg hole. The definition of VS is correct as long as you don’t ascribe to it the literal meaning of the words. Tissue cell implies at the “PARTS” level of principle #23 for their co-ordination of action for mutual benefit. The 1:1 relationship between a single cell and the workings of innate intelligence is at the metabolic level and concern the innate intelligence of the cell for its survival which will contribute to the wellbeing of the tissue, the organ and the system in which it belongs… unless VS is present, in which case, the affected part is not receiving the intended instructive information, which means that it will have in-coordination of action and it cells will become cellfish.
… Cellular replacement occurs at the rate of 500,000,000,000 cells a day. The skin is replaced in one month, a new skeleton (a skeleton seems so solid and we think it’s real… well, every 3 months it changes), a NEW liver every six weeks, a NEW stomach lining every 5 days. Even brain cells, that are not replaced once they die, do not retain that same exact content of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen and so on, are totally different from one year ago. And the DNA which is supposed to hold memories of millions of years of evolutionary times, that actual raw material of the DNA did not exist 6 weeks ago. So, if we or scientists think that we can explain physiology in a purely mechanical way, at least according to the chiropractic world view, there is a huge DILEMMA indeed… which material body are we talking about? The 2013 model is not the same as the 2014 model or even the one from 3 months ago. Your body is renewed by innate intelligence (that’s HOW the LAW of ACTIVE organization maintains the “living thing” ALIVE) more effortlessly and more rapidly than you can change your clothes. –
– In the 1920s this quantum physic’s knowledge was NOT known to DD, BJ or RWS. As we inquire, together without condemnation, we MUST be true to their desire to MOVE forward with the NEW information available to us one hundred years later. Their legacy instructs us to do so. The sacred trust demands it. Truth is revealed a little at a time throughout life and is directly proportional to our educated ability to wisely apprehend it. That’s probably WHY the nervous system (pri.28) was understood as the TRANSMITTING e/matter of animal bodies (remember Harriet Cole donated her body to Hahneman University in 1881,,, the year BJ was born). AMAZING ISN’T IT!
Inspiring Claude,
Amazing, Yes.
And all of these processes are intelligently designed yet in matter are molecularly mechanical and functional – but innate intelligence driven by interaction of innate forces, that comprise mental impulses >> and you say: (that’s HOW the LAW of ACTIVE organization maintains the “living thing” ALIVE)
With all of that ‘Amazing’, Why did Subluxation invoke it’s ugly head?
Pure LOM? Innates way of having educated find it’s ADIO roots, in Truth? Yes I”m speculating. Yes, this is not the LACVS mission of the chiropractor. So I’ll stop.
Innate is perfect
Matter is limited
Universal Intelligence reigns over innate intelligence and
perhaps some Entity or Hashem, etc. g_d reigns over Universal with a different plan – I”m done with the theology speculations on
CHIROPRACTICOUTSIDETHEBOX – PHILOSOPHY BLOG
Keep the science coming Claude >> innate force/matter-motor point, etc. interface??
Thanx Claude
Let us inquire, together without condemnation, a little more deeply into the LIVING physical body from the insights today that we have from the 33 principles of Chiropractic’s Basic Science and Quantum Physics and with the latest understanding of what is the essential nature of e/matter from an ADIO perspective. –
– If you could see the LIVING human body as it really is, you would see also that, like everything else, it is proportionally as void as intergalactic space. You would see a huge empty void with the configuration and velocity of a few scattered dots and spots and some “radom” electrical discharges. Now, here’s the question: “WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THIS VOID?” Really? What is the nature of this void that is 99.999% of the LIVING human body? It’s just empty space!!! Is it an emptiness of nothing or is it a fullness of some non-material state of information? –
– In 1949, in his book “THE BIGNESS OF THE FELLOW WITHIN”, BJ answer that question! YES! He did! It is BJ WHO chose to say that the LIVING human body was 99.44% void. (He was 1/2 of 1% of the mark!) Today, we recognize the fact that the LIVING human body is 99.9% just empty space which has NO e/matter in it… yet, is the source of e/matter. It is this void that has NO e/matter that we call INNATE INTELLIGENCE (pri.20). Innate intelligence (pri.20) INTERFACES with universal intelligence giving rise to all the properties (configuration of electrons, protons and neutrons) and actions (velocity of electrons, protons and neutrons) of e/matter (pri.1) through the creation of instructive information
(pri.8) which is adapted by the LAW of ACTIVE organization (pri.23) within the limits of adaptation (pri.24). –
– And now, in the last few years, there has been some very interesting bits of scientific information that, in fact, show that this may be the case. That it may not be that we are physical mechanisms WHO have learned to think, it points to the other way around… that we are metaphysical thoughts that have learned to create the physical mechanism and that these metaphysical thoughts emerge from a field which is the law of organization, really a field of ALL potentialities, a field of infinity, a field of unity… namely… universal intelligence… and that it can re-configure e/matter in an unlimited possibilities at the existence level (pri.1). –
– This is just an example of the exceptional STABILITY of the SOLID foundational platform of the 33 principles of Chiropractic’s Basic Science. –
– Don’t you think it is time to tell the story over and over and over and over and over again in as many creative ways as doable to the world out there? And for the sake of principle #32, do you think there is anytime to waste? It up to WHO? Carry on. ADIO. –
Claude,
I never new the Harriet Cole story… oh for the love of educated for all parties involved…
See, that’s what retirement will do to you, and going to a mixer school…
Out of the Loop
Oh well, there’s no time like The Present 🙂
Claude Claude Claude Claude Claude!
How well put!
It’s up to ME >> I am one major pre-clear (scientology – bad word – sorry) . Should I say. The glass is half full. The glass is half empty.
Make the ADIO choice. Make the right choice.
Thank you for telling the story over and over and over and over and over again. I will continue. Please be patient with this soul (me). without condemnation, thanx
Question. This ether, vacuum, quantum-space-intelligence portrayal, does harbor on numerous New Age dances. NO, they don’t ever in the least deal with 33 principles as defined, and I’m in agreement with Dr. Joe on their pantheistic (is that correct), and mechanistic understandings, versus CHIROPRACTIC.
But I do wonder if Joe would agree with your let’s say Inclusion of these more recent paradigms (is that a correct usage).
I know he, You Joe, have made your speculative comments concerning Quantum and the rest, The VOID!!!
It is quite amazing Claude that BJ really said that? Did he allude to this 99.44% VOID as the Container for UI and that UI was the, in a way parent of Innate Intelligence?
Now you’ve opened pandora’s box 🙂 yes/no
Lot’s of LOVE in that VOID perhaps. Lot’s of Consciousness in that VOID perhaps??
Anyway – Claude – You’re BAD! I mean Good! I mean, well you know what I mean. I think we all do. Joe’s BAD too. Me, I’m Good! Too Good! 🙂
Tell the story over and over and over and over. Unlearn David.
Forget! (Spock’s hand on my sphenoid) Forget. forget
Don’t worry Claude, I’ll continue to be resistant and carry on. ADIO
Claude – reply
So if you really think that brain cell to tissue cell implies a nerve fiber for each tissue cell from the brain cell, how would that work with erythrocytes? Principle 23 mentions: “… PARTS of the body will have co-ordinated action for mutual benefit”… it does NOT talk about the singularity of each tissue cell… does it not? –
True
– DD, BJ and Stephenson’s NEVER entertained the possibility of cellular intelligence, organ intelligence or system intelligence. They did NOT have the information necessary to “see” that. Their understanding was based on the knowledge of the beginning of the 20th century and they assumed that innate intelligence was located within the physical brain above and that it communicated to every tissue cells down below via nerve fibers. They did extremely well considering the limited amount of information available to them.
True
Today, it is we WHO can choose to pour the NEW information into the NEW structural container of chiropractic knowledge and allow our understanding to deepen. –
OK, True
– For you to state that “there are implications and discussions do suggest a 1:1 relationship between a single cells need and the workings of innate intelligence” with one specific brain cell transmitting information through one specific nerve fiber to one specific tissue cell is using OLD information and pour it into NEW structural containers and it does not fit… like shoving a square into a peg hole. The definition of VS is correct as long as you don’t ascribe to it the literal meaning of the words.
OK, but words mean things, and UNDERSTANDING with clarity and congruency, in the course of discussions, ideas, explanations to PM’s, other educated individuals, professionals, etc., We should be as accurate as possible with our language and words.
That’s what I need to do, to BE – accurate, bullet proof
Tissue cell implies at the “PARTS” level of principle #23 for their co-ordination of action for mutual benefit.
OK >> Being that it’s 2014 and not 1927, Where do YOU think or KNOW THAT anatomical and/or physiological point or process (PART) to be
The 1:1 relationship between a single cell and the workings of innate intelligence is at the metabolic level and concern the innate intelligence of the cell for its survival which will contribute to the wellbeing of the tissue, the organ and the system in which it belongs… unless VS is present, in which case, the affected PART
There’s that word again >> PART >> where is that? and if single cells with their own ii, live in the body environment, surviving, contributing to the well being of the tissue, then your saying it’s the tissue intelligence which is communicating which is being coordinated by body ii, as deduced as what is necessary for LIFE to be sustained on the cell level, tissue level, organ level, body(organism) level >> There’s a hierarchy of information >> the Mental Impulse >> Mental force >> to coordinate to the level that it CAN reach and designed to REACH. Something like that
But what about the rouge cell, the complaining cell? That’s up to the tissue ii to detect and command back to organism ii, etc.
(I KNOW I’M FINESSING THIS, EXTRAPOLATING, PERSONIFYING this a bit, but trying to have as accurate a working model as possible)
cont…
is not receiving the intended instructive information, which means that it will have in-coordination of action and it cells will become cellfish.
As Per explanation above. An unknown, for sure, but perhaps a hierarchial transfer of information, of which, the coding, or deciphering of it, is unknown, is within a metaphysical domain, perhaps will be always, unseen (metaphysical), etc.
Continuing from Me…
Again >> Biological Motor Points are I think what exists as efferent connections to PARTs. I believe these Motor Points convey impulses to contract muscles (vascular, organ, skeletal, smooth, etc.) – Question: But we in Chiropractic understand that it’s not JUST nerve impulse for physiological purpose, but Innate Force to coordinate PARTS to allow for LIFE (taming universal forces, coordination, active organization) >> The Law of LIFE???? yes? no?
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Good Morning
David,
You posted: “But I do wonder if Joe would agree with your let’s say Inclusion of these more recent paradigms (is that a correct usage).” –
– Joseph and I, have been going it for almost 40 years now. We’ve come to understand that it is NOT about agreeing or disagreeing. Agreements and disagreements have to do with words and concepts and theories. It doesn’t have anything to do with truth. Truth is NEVER expressed in words. Truth is sighted… suddenly, as a result of an ATTITUDE… and you may be disagreeing with me and you might sight the truth. However, it has to be an ATTITUDE of OPENness , of WILLingness to discover something NEW and that’s what’s important, not your agreeing with me or disagreeing with me. After all most of what I’m posting is theories. No theory adequately covers reality. Now, all I can tell you is NOT the truth, but the obstacles to the truth. Those I can describe. I cannot describe the truth. No one can. All I can do is give you a description of you falsehoods, so that you can drop them. All I can do for you is to challenge your belief and your belief system that creates dilemmas and makes you unhappy, to point out your errors. All I can do for you is help you UNLEARN. Like Robert Fulgrum’s book: “All I EVER NEEDED TO KNOW, I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN”. That’s what learning is all about… where consciousness is concerned: UNLEARNING, unlearning almost everything you’ve been taught. A WILLingness to unlearn, to LISTEN for the NEW. –
– David, are you listening, as most people do, in order to find something to confirm what they already think? Observe your reactions as I post. Frequently you’ll be startled or shocked or scandalized or irritated or annoyed or frustrated. Or you’ll be saying: “YEAH! GREAT! RIGHT ON!
Hey… wait a minute! Are you listening for what will confirm what you already think? Or are you listening in order to discover something NEW? That’s important! That’s difficult… for most people. –
– Get this: BJ proclaimed chiropractic. That was something good. That was something NEW! And BJ was thrown in prison. He was rejected. Not because what he was saying was good. NO! He was rejected because what he was saying was NEW. We HATE the NEW. Do you get this David? We HATE the NEW. We hate it. And the sooner we face up to that fact, the better. We don’t want NEW things, particularly when they’re disturbing, particularly when they involve change. Particularly if it involve saying… “I was wrong”. –
– WE, together without condemnation, have to have an ATTITUDE of OPENess to the truth, no matter what the consequences, no matter where it comes from, no matter where it leads us… we don’t even know, Joseph and I, where it leads us. That’s what I call consciousness! Not belief in innate intelligence… CONSCIOUSNESS of innate intelligence! Perhaps you remember when BJ was asked by a student, in the hallway of Palmer School, “How do you know?” And BJ took his cigar our of his mouth and responded: “You’ll know”. WHAT? –
– … that one NEVER knows. I don’t know. Joseph doesn’t know. We are
ready to follow and we’re OPEN… WIDE OPEN! We’re ready to listen. The paradox is that once one knows, the doors of consciousness shut down… When you know that you don’t know, you’re listening. You’ve taken another step toward consciousness. –
– Thank you for challenging a Canadien Français to be OPEN to listen to your inquiries. 😉
Claude,
Thank you my friend. Truly.
I’m inspired!
Have a great evening.
Go Blue
Go ADIO