As chiropractors, it is important that we make a distinction between adaptation and evolution. I am not sure that the intelligent design people make that distinction. Their approach appears to be a deistic approach. They contend that there is a (D)esigner who created living organisms and then left them to evolve. This is contrary to the classic Darwin definition that says evolution is the result of changes that have occurred by random-chance mutations which provide benefit to the organism so that offspring have a greater chance of survival (a.k.a. survival of the fittest). Michael Behe, an intelligent design theorist, put it this way in his latest book, The Edge of Evolution. “Random mutation is a completely adequate explanation for some features of life, but not for others.”
However, this is where the intelligent design movement and chiropractic philosophy part ways. Intelligent design says that while there may be mutations that could be the result of randomness, there are other changes, particularly at the bio-molecular level, that cannot in any way be explained by chance. They clearly necessitate some intelligence. Behe contends there is a line where organisms can show signs of evolution (random change) and where changes are clearly an indication of intelligence. This is the edge of evolution, hence the title of the book. I am not sure whether the intelligent design people are purposely avoiding the issue of an intelligence that continually gives to matter its properties and actions in order to avoid the theological issue, or whether they really believe that some types of evolution are possible. It would seem that if some changes can not be explained by randomness, then it is possible that all changes are the result of intelligent action on an ongoing basis.
This is pretty much the difference between adaptation and evolution. Adaptation is always the result of intelligent action. It is a sign of life and life is the expression of intelligence through matter. Any positive change in structure or function is the result of changes brought about by the innate intelligence of the organism. Those changes may be the result of the intelligence adapting the matter to universal forces or adapting those universal forces to improve the quality of the matter, but either way they are purposeful intelligent action, not the chance changes of the matter that just happened to be beneficial. There are changes that occur which are not beneficial. These are the results of limitations of matter, the innate intelligence of the organism’s inability to adapt to these universal forces which tend to be destructive toward structural matter, that is, produce negative survival values. The detrimental effects of ionizing radiation would be an example.
Behe cites an example in his book that I find rather strange for an intelligent design theorist. He says that malaria is one of the greatest killers in the world. (I guess that makes Rachel Carson a mass murderer!) It was thought that drugs discovered in the middle of the last century would wipe out the disease, but their effect was only temporary. Behe writes, “…within a decade the malarial parasite evolved resistance to the drugs.” That is interesting. No mention or indication that it was the innate intelligence of the organism that created an immunity and passed it on. Instead it is assumed that it was a random mutation, an accidental change in the DNA that just happened to produce a mutation which just happened to pass on an immunity to the organism, all of which happened in the space of ten years. Even Darwin does not make that kind of extraordinary claim for mutation and natural selection. It takes millions of years.
Where intelligent design makes its mistake is to assume that certain changes that occur are random while others are intelligently designed. That may be true for Kepler’s moon circles1 or a stone shaped something like an arrowhead. When we are dealing with universal forces acting on universal matter, there is a “randomness” (Principle No. 11)2. However, with biological systems, the changes are always the result of the innate intelligence either adapting the organism, attempting to adapt the organism or failing to adapt it (due to limitations of matter). They are never a result of chance or randomness. This is a fundamental flaw in the intelligent design model. They do not consider the ongoing presence and activity of intelligence. Once they deny that, they must concede that certain changes that take place are the result of the randomness of evolution and their argument falls apart. If random mutations and natural selection have caused changes in the DNA of the malaria parasite to offer immunity to the drug in ten years, (a drop in the bucket in evolutionary time) then just about anything could evolve given sufficient time. I believe we must argue that evolution cannot ever occur. It is always adaptation and adaptation is a sign of life (the 18th to be exact) and life is an indication of intelligence.
I realize that intelligent design does not want to address more than the beginning of biological systems. They do not want to address what sustains and maintains those systems in existence because they are primarily presenting an alternative theory to evolution, not to mention it has a theological implication about it. (We’ve been suffering with that stigma for over 100 years.) Still, that is the foundation of chiropractic philosophy and intelligent design seems to be saddled with the religious criticism anyhow. I would like to see the design theorists begin to rethink their idea of adaptation and evolution and begin to consider the ongoing role of the (D)esigner in biological systems. I believe that unless they do that, they will weaken their argument. For us, the point is that we do not give credence to the the random mutation/natural selection argument that undergirds evolution. If we do we will undermine adaptation as an expression of the innate intelligence of the organism.
1 Johannis Kepler, an early astronomer, thought that the perfect circles on the moon’s surface were intelligently made when, in fact, they were the result of random meteors hitting the moon.
2The Character of Universal forces. “The forces of universal intelligence are manifested by physical laws: are unswerving and unadapted and have no solicitude for the structures in which they work.” v23n1
Question:
Survival Value:
I don’t understand it’s mechanism (bad word? :).
If it’s a +survival value that ii has achieved, being a successful adaptation, where is the memory of that adaptation? I thought ii
had NO memory. Or is the +survival in the matter (eg. antibodies),
or ???
Maybe someone can clear it up for me?
But it does seem kind of mechanistic which would seem not within the realm of the 33 principles
In the body, the cycle of construction and destruction always
applies. When there is successful adaptation, there is no interruption
in Innate’s program; but when there are subluxations or unusual
adaptation (Prin. 24) to adverse conditions, the law of destruction
goes into effect, costing the organization a loss in construction. This
is referred to in Art. 134. If, in the body, the advance is greater than
the loss, there is a gain in construction which is called Constructive
Survival Value. If there is no destructive action, the constructive advance
is net gain. (Vol. 14)
A “bank account” of construction after “losses” and “lia-bilities”
are deducted; “net gain.”
It refers to condition or sanity of tissue cells; has to do with
both construction and repletion.
It is sometimes called vitality, which is true, but it is not a
storage of forces; it is a storage of material resources.
It is the fundamental of major work.
When there is a failure of adaptation, there is no advance made by
the tissue cell in living. In fact, if the lack of adaptation results in its
becoming injured or unsound, that is a distinct set-back in its life,
which must be regained, with the loss of time and effort. If, after
balancing the constructive results with the results of destruction,
there is no remainder, it is neither a good nor a bad state of affairs;
but if, after balancing, there is a credit, the cell is well off indeed, or
on the road to repletion, which it requires time and effort to stop. If,
on the other hand, there is a debit, the tissue cell is in a bad way, or
is being badly depleted, and it will require time and effort to turn
affairs the other way. These conditions have an important bearing
on the next act of the tissue cell; whether or not it falls behind in the
“race of life.” (Vol 14)
I hope this helps
Steve,
It does.
So if positive, it’s the storage of matter resources that aided the survival of the cell leading to it’s vitality, That it can use perhaps again in an enhanced survival ability, or just it’s enhanced ability to function.
I understand, if that’s it (forgive my re-interations, just my learning process at hand).
Q2: hmmmm. As per (‘storage of material resources’) >> So it’s at the cell level, not the organism level, or at the matter level within the organism?
It would seem that it’s quite a bit of interpretation from Prin. 24 >>
Many of these articles as further interpretations of the significance of the major principles sometimes seem to get into the theoretical or interpretive side of the principle(s).
Let me restate – bottom line >> It’s an accumulation of matter that lead to a successful adaptation or a diminution of matter that resulted from an unsuccessful adaptation.
Am I making to much of this?
“When there is successful adaptation, there is no interruption
in Innate’s program”…It is not just the material but it is the material with the guidance of Innate. Both subluxations (loss of intelligent information) and the properties (LOM) of matter must enter into the equation. The net result being + or -.
Q2. BJ spoke often of the unital body, all cells, tissues, organs, systems, working together due to the influence of innate intelligence
Prin. 23 The function of II is to adapt universal forces and matter for use in the body, so that all parts of the body will have coordinated action for mutual benefit. (positive survival value)
Is this survival value saved? Does ii learn? No. It knows, so the
availability of the adaptation material perhaps is saved? As matter?
The intelligence? It knows what it did. This is what confuses me.
The fact that we identify it as a value as if it is used latter for something.
Oh oh, maybe it’s just like a gas tank showing you the level of adaptation that has taken place, that’s all.
It serves no purpose except as a moment to moment indicator of whether adaptation was, is successful or not?
So my question is is Survival Value really of any importance to ii? To the continued successful or not successful adaptions of innate matter?
David, Steve, good discussion. I almost hate to interrupt but something I remember from Stephenson (I think) that I found helpful. Prin. #33 addresses this issue. Think of survival values as a bank account. Each constructive SV is a deposit, each negative SV is a withdrawal. Your account balance is your Cumulative SV. Each experience in life is either a deposit or withdrawal. When your withdrawals are greater than your deposits and your balance (CSV) eventually reaches 0.00 you are dead. Innate intelligence is your wife trying to make you deposit as much as possible and limiting your withdrawals (I just made that part up). The $s are the matter of the body stored as chemicals or memory (whatever tissues of the body, manner and physical location or locations, “body memories” are stored), like the memory of how to respond to a measles virus when you previously had the measles and recovered (a positive SV unless the measles caused brain damage, then it was also a negative SV and who knows what the CSV is, the teller doesn’t give out account balances. Although if you are still alive it did not reach 0.00) Aren’t you sorry I jumped in?
Joe, I understand.
Does your wife know my wife?
With survival value, as a memory (educated brain I assume and/or matter/body) >> is there carry over into an evolutionary process >> generation to generation?? or is this not Chiropractic Issue?? Only the ii (single organism) adaptation part is, to benefit future adaptations or a representation of your increase in Life Assets (expression of innate) vs Death, Kaput, Over, Time for a New Seed
What say you Author and Columnist, Mild Mannered Man, Dr. Joe Strauss?
I’m not convinced that this is even a chiropractic issue David. After the restoration of the if of the ii of the body, anything else is not the concern or the objective of the chiropractor. A result was the thrust of the late Joe Flesia’s “birth of the Magical Child ” concept. It was also the idea of Reggie’s “improved performance” idea in Spinology (which thankfully was not presented as a part of OSC nor TSC chiropractic). Both Joe’s and Reggie’s ideas are theories which made great cocktail party discussion but are not part of OSC. But it seems to me that if we are to adopt them we create two problems:
1. We add theory to our principles. The 33 Principles are not theories.
2. We might as well add getting sick people well and all its ramifications. In which case we are TSC once again.
I presume this is in answer to survival value >> evolution?
I understand and I continue to understand more with regards to OSC.
(What is and what is not) >>
Sometimes within the discussions, as an example, we might allude to Intelligent Design which touches perhaps areas that are within OSC (intelligence), and not (creation??), and I fail to make that distinction.
My philosophical approach is becoming more refined and accurate, at least I think so.
BUT I did have another question that I asked that I’d appreciate your comment on Joe.
Forgive my repetition, If you can? Thanks
Claude, Joe, Steve,
Q1: Does Innate Intelligence require Innate Matter, in order to exist?
(I understand II is metaphysical, so the question of existence is challenging with regards to metaphysical (I’ll call them) actualities, or premises or components?
Q2: Are Innate Forces metaphysical? (I would assume it requires innate matter in order to create an applicable force. Not in essence as a requirement to exist (Here we go again with that word existence and metaphysical things – Help me here), but as I imagine answer to a requirement that Innate Matter is demanding in relationship to it’s maintaining organization and coordination.
Q3: If Innate Intelligence is Metaphysical and it does not require Matter in order to exist (?), then in essence, when Life is Ended, wouldn’t Innate Intelligence still exist, but not within that body?
Perhaps I’m really understanding that metaphysical things, in essence don’t exist, except in relationship to the matter they support.
or??? Kind of confusing?
Professors? Gentlemen and Ladies? Doctors, OSC’s, Authors and Commentators?
Answer(s):___________________________
It not only refers to condition or soundness of tissue cells, but to
the racial gain in condition; “the resultant distillation of life.”
Survival Value is the name of the unit of adaptational success,
from a unit of mental force (mental impulse), in a unit of matter
(tissue cell), when all losses have been deducted; therefore, Survival
Value is the unit element of evolution.(Vol14)
Art. 191. IMMUNITY.
Immunity is the adaptative resistance of tissue cells because of
the constructive survival value they possess.
Immunity is the high percentage of adaptability of tissue cells,
because of their perfection in “condition” which requires time
and effort to tear down.
This perfect condition is dependent upon the perfect
transmission of mental impulses. (Prin. 5, 28).
When tissue cells are thus very sound, they are able because of
their adaptability and material resources, to withstand the invasion
of poison better than those not so fortunate. A body so equipped
does not “catch diseases.”
Steve, This is very interesting. Is these references from RW? GreenBooks? JS-Bluebook on BJ?
and
this evolution passes from generation to generation through
reproduction standard way) or Innate of mother IS innate of unborn and matter of child comes from matter of mother so there’s the passage of survival (evolution), or is it metaphysical?? (can’t be) Innate is perfect, so it has to be in the matter! right?
so what is the evolutionary >> generation to generation passage of survival value process
and what about STEM CELLS which NOW we know about which is a generator, if you will, of new cellular life in various tissues (blood), and typically non replicating tissues (kidney, heart, maybe others).
Just a note, Maybe it was your post or I read somewhere else on this blog or pivot(s), READING FUNCTION OF MATTER IS TO EXPRESS FORCE! Today that really sunk in.
Innates Mission to organize matter as represented int Matter’s function of expressing Innate Forces.
It may be a personification process, but somehow the going over and over and over the principles, delving into my questions, reading and reading more, etc. Somehow I visualized Matter’s purpose is to Express Innate and Universal Intelligence.
With Living Matter >> seeing Innate in the functioning of Matter, a perfection with it’s mission to express within matter (eg. my arm, my organ, my hobbies, my mind, my love, my existence >> ADIO became a strong cognition.
Anyway, back to planet earth
Could you answer my distinctions or questions that I posed?
You’ve been very helpful. Thank You
Dave
Dave,
Q1: Does Innate Intelligence require Innate Matter, in order to exist?
(I understand II is metaphysical, so the question of existence is challenging with regards to metaphysical (I’ll call them) actualities, or premises or components? –
– Answer 1: No –
– Q2: Are Innate Forces metaphysical? (I would assume it requires innate matter in order to create an applicable force. Not in essence as a requirement to exist (Here we go again with that word existence and metaphysical things – Help me here), but as I imagine answer to a requirement that Innate Matter is demanding in relationship to it’s maintaining organization and coordination. –
– Answer 2; Yes. –
– Q3: If Innate Intelligence is Metaphysical and it does not require Matter in order to exist (?), then in essence, when Life is Ended, wouldn’t Innate Intelligence still exist, but not within that body?
Perhaps I’m really understanding that metaphysical things, in essence don’t exist, except in relationship to the matter they support. –
– Answer 3: Look at it from the point of view of YOU swimming in a sea called innate intelligence. YOUR e-matter is being immersed in the sea of innate intelligence. When you e-matter gets transformed into a different configuration of electrons, protons and neutrons, would innate intelligence cease to exist?
Dr. Lessard
3: No, but since II is My II, what you’re saying is that it’s ONLY mine, Allowing MY Life until Matter can’t support it or LOM (blood clot, hit by car, coma, heart stops (LOM). When you’re DEAD and II still exists, My II still exists.
YES I’m implying re-incarnation (this is coffee-table talk as Joe would say).
Joe has stated that II vanishes or disassociates (forget which book(s))
Also with other readings I’ve seen that THE TRIUNE is the entity, that
II IF IMatter – as a TRIUNE ias what really EXISTS
That you can’t have one without the other
IMatter is the Expression of II.
Also IForces, because they are directed towards Matter, MUST HAVE Matter in order to have IDENTITY
Am I going around in circles?
I think you’re statement Claude >> stating II, being Selfish to Each Life, Whether it exists without the Life, is Metaphysically possible
but Philosophically Unprovable
(eg. Words on a Page are Metaphysical. If you mix all the letters all up, do the words on the page still exist? )
Where am I going with all this you ask?
I’m trying to swim (educated wise) without drowning?
Dave, (See my Comment to Claude) I would suggest that in the Triune, intelligence is entirely metaphysical, force is both metaphysical (the mental impulse aspect of it) and physical (the nerve and nerve impulse aspect), and matter is entirely physical. The vertebral subluxation occurs in the matter, altering the nerve impulse but cutting off the metaphysical mental impulse. Distorting a message is in effect no message Inasmuch as the nerve impulse is still getting through the tissue, cell or organ is still alive (if I remember correctly you raised this question when you first joined the blog) because its cellular (tissue or organ intelligence) can adapt that nerve impulse (which now, without an attached mental impulse, acts as a universal force) but it (the ct or organ intelligence) can adapt it (the nerve impulse) only for the good of itself, not for the good of the entire organism. The cto is no longer under the control of the ii of the body making it weaker, fragile and its matter even more limited.
Any cell, tissue, organ or profession that is not under the control of its principle(s) is living for itself and is less viable. (The last sentence is my sermon for the week!:))
Joe,
1. Once i chose to commit to OSC and LACVS, and as I continue to study, learn, tell the story over and over, introduce my objectives to my PM’s (not perfectly), Chiropractic started to make sense. What a thrill it is to not only LACVS but to embrace Chiropractic’s heart soul and history, and to experience my PM’s getting it. I hope to continue to transform into the directions my ADIO view brings me. Conflicts and all
2. I’ve certainly made the distinction between mechanistic and vitalistic(abridged), physical and metaphysical, nerve impulse and mental impulse. Once I own it, my PM’s will have the greatest chance to witness and/or experience it.
3. I’ll be curious to see if Claude agrees/disagrees
4. That II triunes to matter with IF, and that II is selfish, it’s interesting that with subluxation, or disconnect from matter, perhaps Death, that Ii that was once coding, intelligencing to a organisms optimum expression, coordination, is now Gone, having no reference to the life it sustained.
I know this is what you say barbecue (ref to Father’s Day) talk, etc. It would give me a better understanding of II if some deduction or philosophical approach within 33 principles or maybe an article, could resolve what I see as a lack of understanding or maybe just a curiosity into the workings of II before during and after Life matter has united with it. I know I know. That’s a Big ???
5. Happy Fathers Day!
Claude, it seems to me that re: Q2, the answer is both. Innate forces are both physical and metaphysical. We can and do measure the physical aspect (EEG,EKG) but not the metaphysical, just as you cannot know the message (metaphysical) of the telegraph, unless you know Morse Code. Only the ii of the body knows the code. We can educatedly perceive dots and dashes which only tell us that the telegraph system is “alive”. It would seem that the telegraph with its dots and dashes is not the message but only “carries” the message. In the body the nerve impulse (measurable) is not the message but it carries the message. Without the nerve impulse (analogy: dots and dashes) there is no message. When the nerve impulse ceases (in death) there is no longer any message. When the mental impulse is interfered with but the nerve impulse continues as in the case of VS, DIS-EASE occurs, a metaphysical phenomena. Since it is metaphysical it is not picked up by the EEG or EKG or even BJ’s ‘timpograph although he hoped it would. Just my thoughts.
Joseph,
I understand what you are saying. This begs the question: Are universal force metaphysical only or metaphysical and physical within the triune? I thought we had two metaphysical components (intelligence and force) and one physical component (e/matter) within the triune. –
– Thank you for answering a question that I asked a few times within the past month… as to WHY principle #23 states that innate intelligence adapts universal force AND e/matter. Indeed the mental impulse is BOTH metaphysical and physical. The reason that innate intelligence adapts BOTH, universal forces AND e/matter, is due to the specific configuration of electrons, protons and neutrons for TRANSMISSION to occur. So the morse “code” is analogous to instructive information and is TRANSMITTED through the telegraph medium for the former and through the nerve system for the latter. The message is strictly metaphysical… from mental creation to intellectual adaptation. It is the TRANSMISSION that is strictly physical from brain cell to tissue cell and that WHERE the interference occurs. The mental impulse is an innate force that has been TRANSFORMED from mental creation at the first place to be TRANSMITTED (propulsion) through the nerve system to the tissue cell. That is the interface that David was asking about. In order for transmission/propulsion of the mental impulse to happen, it requires a specific “code” to adapt the transmitting matter, so it can CARRY the message to be received by the tissue cell and expressed as an innate force to be manifested as MOTION by e/matter for coordination of actions The carrier, which is the transmitting matter called the nerve system, is NOT the message. The FEDEX truck CARRIES the message… it is NOT the message. The telegraph wires carry the coded message… they’re NOT the coded message. –
– We used to say that the mental impulse has intelligent direction and is constructive toward structural e/matter and that it was metaphysical… while the nerve impulse is without intelligent direction and was physical e/matter that was not adapted by innate intelligence. A nerve impulse is a universal force and as such is deconstructive toward structural e/matter. Did we not? –
– Now, as we further clarify, the Normal Complete Cycle, we realize that it is the TRANSMITTING matter (nerve system) that is adapted by innate intelligence through the configuration and velocity of electrons, protons and neutrons that propels and carries the instructive information from brain cell to tissue cell, and vice versa, for coordination of actions. –
– Once again Joseph, thank you for clarifying further the mental impulse. Happy Father’s Day!
Hold on Claude. Why must the nerve be reconfigured? Was it not designed to “carry” the code from one location to another. The telegraph wires are not affected by the signal being transmitted, they are the same before as after transmission. I would contend the nerves are the same before and after. It is the subluxation that makes them unfit to “carry” the code, is it not? Yet they still transmit impulses of UF.
Steve,
Where did I post “re-configured’?