Transcendental meditation and other forms of meditation are designed to take the individual below normal levels of consciousness, thus shutting down the educated brain when it is intended to function. Can that be normal and good? If we shut down the liver or the kidneys, we conclude there is a problem. What’s the difference?
I always thought it was to get out of the “ego dominant” state (probably the “normal level of consciousness” for most of our culture) and, thus, express more of our “true inner being” or “true self”.
Joseph,
You are using the “shut down” of educated brain which is an organ for so called voluntary function which uses special coded mental impulses (tinctured) and compare it to the liver or the kidneys, both of which are organs used by the innate intelligence of the body and are involuntary function organs using specific coded mental impulses (untinctured). It’s like comparing an apple with a baseball and a bat… š Is it not?
… now, if we use the “shut down” of the educated brain and compare it with the “shut down” of the muscles of your legs when you blog… there’s no difference. When you sleep, the musculoskeletal system is “shut down” with regard voluntary functions which are under the control of your will, yet your musculoskeletal system has metabolic functions which are under the control of the innate intelligence of your body. Meditation “shuts down” the educated brain with regard to voluntary functions which are under the control of your will, yet your educated brain has metabolic function which are under the control of the innate intelligence of your body. Does that make sense?
No, I don’t think so. The muscles of he Gi tract and the striated muscles of the arm both have different functions, one involuntary, the other voluntary. Neither could function without innate forces, one going through the educated brain (and being tinctured) to the arm, the other coming directly from the innate brain. What’s the difference between meditation in an effort to affect educated brain function and taking a drug to affect educated brain function. Both are the practice of medicine. If we are doing something to affect an organ (change the matter or its product), whether it is the liver, kidneys , gi tract or educated brain, are we not practicing medicine?
Joseph,
I don’t think that when somebody meditates is practicing medicine any more than when someone is running a marathon or is listening to Vivaldi’s Four Seasons, or drinking a glass of wine for that matter is practicing medicine.
Besides, it seems to me that if resting the activity of the muscles of your legs is necessary at times and beneficial, then WHY wouldn’t resting the ACTIVITY of the educated brain NOT also be necessary at times and beneficial as well?
Claude, medicine as I understand it and I believe chiropractic defines it, is determined by your objective/intention. If you are running a marathon in order to get a “running high”, what’s the difference between that and taking an upper”. Drinking a glass of wine to alter your body chemistry is practicing medicine (actually even if you are not trying, it will alter your body chemistry). People even do that to alter the activity of their ed. brain. That’s different than drinking a glass of wine because you enjoy the taste.
Resting the activity of the muscles is important, normal, natural and necessary. We call that sleep. Is taking a drug to make you sleep, the practice of medicine? To meditate in order to cause you to reach a sleep state different? I admit my knowledge of meditation and its objective is limited. But it seems to me the intention is to alter the body chemistry/function like drugs except “naturally”. P.S. I hope you are meditating upon my thoughts. That is different than meditation as in emptying your educated brain in order to rest it. P.P.S Don’t sleep on it.:)
Joseph,
Are you equating altering the state of energy/matter. what you call “body chemistry”, with practicing medicine? The other day when you took your two and half mile INDOOR walk š you altered your body chemistry to the point of taking off your sweatshirt. Since you altered your the state of your energy/matter, does that mean that you were practicing medicine? I thought that the objective of medicine is to treat diseases. –
Claude, it’s the intention, the objective that determines whether you are practicing medicine. Sleeping at night alters body chemistry, so does eating breakfast or an ice cream cone and everything else for that matter. It was not my objective to alter my body chemistry when taking a walk. It was to get some exercise and get away from the computer for a few minutes and people who make replies to themselves:)(is that the same as talking to yourself?). The person who educatedly tries to change the “energy/matter” by affecting the educated brain either through purposefully taking a drug or purposefully altering their conscious state by practicing some form of meditation is practicing medicine according to the medical objective IMO.
Joseph,
What is the medical objective?
Claude, the medical objective is to treat, cure, prevent disease, its causes and effects by whatever means necessary (drugs or drugless, allopathic or homeopathic, chemical or natural). That’s why the medical profession had so much opposition to D.D. Palmer’s idea from the beginning and why B.J.Palmer makes no mention of disease in the 33 principles. If the chiropractic and the medical professions could have understood that one simple difference we would have saved 100+ years of conflict between those who wanted to affect the matter and those who wanted to remove an interference to the force. The meditation people and concept therapists want to affect the third aspect of the triune, the intelligence and that is impossible, it’s already and always will be perfect. All they end up doing is affecting (or trying to affect) the matter (the educated brain) which is still the medical objective.
Meditation is an educated function, is it not?
Yes, so is taking medicine as is giving an adjustic thrust
If I remember correctly, TM was done to quiet the mind. If this is done as an EB hygiene routine, would you still consider it the practice of medicine?
Joseph,
If I read you correctly, you are saying that anyone using meditation or psychedelic drugs are practicing medicine ONLY if they alter energy/matter to “treat, cure and prevent disease”. If a blogger meditates on your posts or exercises to get away from blogging or drinks beer watching the Super Bowl this Sunday , that person is affecting the state of energy/matter and is NOT practicing medicine. Am I reading you correctly?
We’re pretty close “….only if their intention/objective is to alter energy/matter to….” Meditation has at least two meanings: 1. to think on, which I would encourage and 2. To empty the mind to reach some altered state of consciousness, which is the context of this post and IMO inconsistent with our chiropractic philosophy. If his intention is not to change body chemistry, its not the practice of medicine. Re: the Super Bowl, if he is a Broncos fan and the Ravens are blowing them out and he is drinking beer to forget his disappointment….well that’s something else!
Joe: I do read your posts, Superbowl correction Broncos vs Seahawks and yes I had 4 beers….bad game…..probably practiced medicine w/ pizza and hotdogs too….LOL
Richie,
When people drink beer some of them want to pick up fights with others, some yell, some become giddy, some fall asleep… you are the first one I know WHO wants to treat, cure and prevent disease! LOL!!I
Interesting thread.
Would it help if a substitution occurred here?
TM practitioners are practicing medicine.
I would suggest:
TM practitioners share the same intention as the profession of medicine.
If we define medicine by the intention of the practitioner (btw not everyone does) then it could be that medicine and TM practiioners may have the same objective.
Don,
I want to make it CRYSTAL CLEAR that we define a profession by its OBJECTIVE! Not by the intention of the practitioner. It is I, as a chiropractor, WHO choose to practice the chiropractic OBJECTIVE which is to: LACVS for a FULL expression of the innate FORCES of the innate intelligence if the living vertebrate body. PERIOD!
claude,What’s the difference between intention and objective?
Joseph,
When it is you WHO choose to practice the chiropractic objective for the sake of practicing the chiropractic objective WITHOUT looking for any outcome. That’s different than you WHO would choose to practice the chiropractive objective with the intention of bringing the body WITHIN a pre-determine outcome assessment range. Intention and objective must match. That’s WHY it is me WHO choose to put the PERIOD where it belongs… at the END of the objective. Outcomes and results, whatever they may be, are the domain of the innate intelligence of the PM’s body… NOT the chiropractor!
The moment a chiropractor looks for results, troubles begin.
ā¦ and WHERE then would you put the PERIOD?
So our objective of LACVS is toward our intent, which is “SERVING the physical needs of mankind”?
Or is it that our intent of serving the physical needs of mankind is fulfilled by meeting our objective, which is LACVS?
Steve,
Our intent is to practice the chiropractic objective. PERIOD!
Sorry everyone. I’m an ole stick in the mud.
I choose to go back to merriam Webster for definitions.
1inĀ·tent noun \in-Ėtent\
: the thing that you plan to do or achieve : an aim or purpose
Full Definition of INTENT
1
a : the act or fact of intending : purpose; especially : the design or purpose to commit a wrongful or criminal act
b : the state of mind with which an act is done : volition
2
: a usually clearly formulated or planned intention : aim
3
a : meaning, significance
b : connotation 3
See intent defined for English-language learners Ā»
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Examples of INTENT
She thinks I’m trying to make things difficult for her, but that’s not my intent.
What was the the writer’s intent?
The intent of the law is to protect consumers.
He was charged with assault with intent to kill.
1obĀ·jecĀ·tive adjective \Éb-Ėjek-tiv, Ƥb-\
: based on facts rather than feelings or opinions : not influenced by feelings
philosophy : existing outside of the mind : existing in the real world
grammar : relating to nouns, noun phrases, or pronouns that are the objects of verbs or prepositions
Full Definition of OBJECTIVE
1
a : relating to or existing as an object of thought without consideration of independent existence āused chiefly in medieval philosophy
b : of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind ā compare subjective 3a
c of a symptom of disease : perceptible to persons other than the affected individual ā compare subjective 4c
d : involving or deriving from sense perception or experience with actual objects, conditions, or phenomena
2
: relating to, characteristic of, or constituting the case of words that follow prepositions or transitive verbs
3
a : expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations
b of a test : limited to choices of fixed alternatives and reducing subjective factors to a minimum
Sorry that was a terrible cut and paste job.
INTENT
1inĀ·tent noun \in-Ėtent\
: the thing that you plan to do or achieve : an aim or purpose
OBJECTIVE
1obĀ·jecĀ·tive adjective \Éb-Ėjek-tiv, Ƥb-\
: based on facts rather than feelings or opinions : not influenced by feelings
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Don,
It is me WHO plans to practice the chiropractic objective which is based on the facts of the science of the 33 chiropractic principles.
Does that fit Merriam Webster even though we are developing our own lexicon since chiropractic is separate and distinct from EVERYTHING ELSE?
Dr. Lessard,
The chiropractic objective is separate and distinct from everything else.
IMO and as far as I know, the terms itself and the definition of the terms “intent” and “objective” are not separate and disctinct from everything else.
There are terms germane to the lexicon of chiropractic. I can think of dis-ease which is non-duplicative (separate and distinct). Many others are not.
Unfortunately, there are several homonyms in the English for vocabulary commonly used in chiropractic. Subluxation and adjustment come to mind.
Whether or not it fits Merriam-Websters inclusion criteria for their dictionary is a different topic entirely.
Having terms that are commonly used in other vernacular and then used to describe something separate and distinct may be the difficulty here. Just my thoughts. š
Don,
I do understand your point in terms of homonyms.
Does my answer to Joseph describe the difference between intention and objective within the context of chiropractic philosophy?
ā¦ in other words, for chiropractic philosophy in the context of the chiropractic objective, the difference between intention and objective is… where you put the PERIOD! Does that make sense?
Not really, could you possibly put in the period which makes it intention and where it (the period) is placed that makes it the objective? Thanks
Joseph,
Yes. Therefore, intention and objective should be congruent. The chiropractic objective is to: LACVS for a full expression of the innate FORCES of the innate intelligence of the living vertebrate body. PERIOD! My intention as a chiropractor is to CHOOSE to practice the chiropractic objective ONLY for the sake of the chiropractic objective. My intention is NOT to choose to practice the chiropractic objective to bring about any results (read outcome assessments). As I mentioned before, results are up to the innate intelligence of the PM’s body and as, YOU said before, aren’t we glad it’s NOT up to us!
So where does “āSERVING the physical needs of mankind” as you stated earlier come in? Purpose?
Steve,
We are, ALL of us EVERYONE, called to SERVE one another as our life’s purpose… Whether help our children with homework, donate our time to charities, cook a meal for someone in need, change the tire of the old lady’s car next door, shovel your steps for the mail carrier, vote at the next election, do your life’s work or even smiling and being nice to the cashier at the food store, etc., etc… –
– As an objective chiropractor, my intent is to practice the chiropractic objective. PERIOD!
… in other words, WHEN our intent, objective and purpose are congruent… the REST will follow. š
Getting back to issue here, whether meditation is by intent, medicine based or chiropractic based, let me state, IMO, meditation is a means for becoming aware. Thought is ego based, where as meditation is experiential and is a means to in way remove interference from educated mind, that being the ego. It’s focus is not to relax, to increase something or decrease something. It’s more of a discipline to clear the mirror, to clean something, like good mental hygiene. What you get out of it is totally individual.
DD adjusted all articulations, BJ adjusted at one point 1 bone. Meditation serves to adjust above atlas. That’s my take.
Transcendental meditation and other forms of meditation are designed to take the individual below normal
Normal? Don’t you mean average!
levels of consciousness, thus shutting down the educated brain when it is intended to function. Can that be normal
Normal? Don’t you mean average!
Moving on,
1. Pm has blood pressure of 170/90 at rest. Where does Normal/average, innate intelligence, educated intelligence and Decision(personal responsibility) intertwine. In other words, what’s the reality here.
2. With regards to mediation, if your looking for spiritual connection, like going to church/synagogue, what is it. therapeutic or non-therapeutic?
There is a fine line between custom, traditional, educated(guilt, subconscious) and outside in behavior. ADIO living is a direction not a destination.
Typo
2. MEDITATIONS not mediation
David,
You posted: “1. Pm has blood pressure of 170/90 at rest. Where does Normal/average, innate intelligence, educated intelligence and Decision(personal responsibility) intertwine. In other words, whatās the reality here.” –
– HOW would you know the B/P of your PM? Are you telling me that it is you WHO choose to assume “(personal responsibility)” of your PM’s physiology? Is it you WHO is choosing to create dilemmas for yourself again? What happened to “FREE AT LAST?” –
– Reality is that… it is ultimately you WHO can choose to be FREE or shackled to your ball and chain (your educated intelligence). –
– Is it not the LAW of ACTIVE organization that runs the body? If so, and it is as per principles 21 & 23… NORMAL is ONLY coming from principle 27, is it not? It’s ALL there within the 33 principles of Chiropractic’s Basic Science, is it not?
What if the 170/90 is family member. What do you do Adio educated when it’s yourself. High cholesterol (average).
How do you apply the educated vs innate decisions to your own life or loved ones. Average vs Normal
What’s the mindset?
Checking the Slip? I’m asking what do you do?
When it’s your wife or kids disease or not average. And Stay Principled.
Dave,
Didn’t you post before: ” whatās the reality here.”? Reality is NOW and your question pertains to the future which is outside of reality is it not?
– Are the 33 principles of Chiropractic’s Basic Science ONLY valid for others? When the question involves “IF”, it’s a SUPPOSED question that your ego doesn’t want to let go… is it not? What is the MOTIVE behind you question? Curiosity? Rehearsal? Doubts? Fear? Or is it what is ACTUALLY going on in your personal life RIGHT NOW? If so, it is I WHO choose NOT to BE “personally” responsible for your choice. It is YOU WHO can choose whatever you desire… “get the big idea and the rest will (DEFINITELY) follow”. FREE AT LAST!!!
– As for myself, (so far), it is I WHO choose to share with this blog that, my wife Sara and and our 3 adult children have NOT had any medical check ups for over 40 years now (Tara 42, Jeremy 39, Sabrina 33… born at home). Personally, I get an aviation medical exam every two years for certification and I passed every time up to now. This IS my reality! Of course, your reality is totally different than mine today. Nevertheless, it is you WHO can choose to BE “personally” responsible for yourself and, of course, you will CHOOSE according to your understanding, AT THE PRESENT MOMENT, of ALL 33 principles of Chiropractic’s Basic Science. “Carry on. ADIO.”
Claude,
You kindly relied:
It is YOU WHO can choose whatever you desireā¦ āget the big idea and the rest will (DEFINITELY) followā. FREE AT LAST!!!
It is I in this MOMENT WHO asks YOU, “What is the Big Idea?”
Not according to BJ, not Another colleague, not from some book.
Without condemnation I Ask YOU. What is the BIG IDEA?
Guesses:
1.FREEDOM to choose?
2. Live with ii as my 1st calling
3. BE in the MOMENT
4. CHOOSE according to your understanding, AT THE PRESENT MOMENT, of ALL 33 principles of Chiropracticās Basic Science
5. ?????
David,
First you wanted me to compose music for you… then you wanted me to play you a tune… now you want me to give you my interpretation of the piece? Improvise! š