The accepted approach of scientific research does not allow for a vitalistic model. In fact it rejects it. While some are saying we need to rethink our philosophy to fit accepted scientific models, perhaps what we need to do is rethink our model of science. If it needs to be of value to chiropractic it needs to be good science, not bad science. Today we have bad science based upon mechanistic assumptions. That paradigm of accepted scientific research would render chiropractic nothing more than a modality.
I couldn’t agree more. I believe like BJ we must continue to pursue a model of research that refines our application and measures things like t cell production. But because there is such an element as intentional healing and touch, we can never truly trust that our findings will be perfectly repeatable (hence the percentage change model so popular with the drug companies).
joe i think we may need research that proves GOD too. if we can find a research model that does that, i think we’ll be ok.
I think science is a good as it ever was and ever will be with regard to life which is constantly in flux.
The human being is more than the sum of its parts. There goes pure sciences out the window. The human being is physical and metaphysical. There goes applied sciences out the window.
It’s not bad science that prevents us from proving anything. It is WHO is choosing to use science for something it is not intended to do that leads to mechanistic assumptions and OIBU viewpoint.
The ability to rationalize and reason is WHAT is necessary for WHO to choose in order to move from behind-forward. Science is a tool that has its limitations. It is we WHO must choose to put back the scientific tools in the tool box which are useless with regard to vitalism.
What use is fire to extinguish forest fires?
Better said:
WHO uses a sledge hammer to swim?
I think chiropractic has already been “proven”. Scientifically speaking it’s agreed that the body is a self-coordinating organism and adaptation of all body parts is controlled through the nerve system. It’s obvious that interference to this system will cause incoordination.
the question then is: how scientific is our analysis as well as our pre- and post-checks?
Paulo,
i do appreciate your post very much.
When you states: “It’s obvious that interference to this system will cause incoordination, I must point out that it is obvious to YOU and I respect your deduction. It is not necessarily obvious to a scientist whose desire is to prove your logical, rational and reasonable deduction with the scientific method.
In answer to: “the question then is: how scientific is our analysis as well as our pre- and post-checks” :
How can there be a scientific analysis for the human body? It is in a state of constant flux. It will NEVER be duplicated. Cells are replaced at the rate of 500,000 per second.
Even subluxations are in flux. ONLY the innate intelligence of the body can deal with constant motion, not educated intelligence. We still need to be as specific as we possibly can IN OUR UNDERSTANDING of the present moment. Science, in my opinion, is completely useless with regard to the metaphysical component of the mental impulse. And matter, as stated above, is in constant flux. The ONLY analysis in my view is the ART of determining what the innate intelligence of the body is doing with the working and taut muscles of the spine (tones) which are also always in flux. Chiropractic analysis is really and art-form.
The SCIENCE of chiropractic is pretty much limited to the anatomy of the spine and the nerve system. I just learned this morning that the function of the efferent nerve to the retina of the eye is absolutely unknown to the entire world. Wow! What can science do with this in 2012? More research? Sure! For WHAT?
Pre-checks… Post-checks… in the scheme of things are the in realm of the innate intelligence of the body. We locate the subluxation. We artfully analyze the subluxation the way we choose in order to determine its listing. Then we choose the appropriate technique and introduce a specific thrust with the proper line-o-drive, with the appropriate body placement, positioning ourselves on the correct contact point of the subluxated vertebra. Then our work is finished. PERIOD.
The outcome is up to the innate intelligence of the body which cannot be judged by the educated intelligence which uses the educated brain and is limited by limitations of its matter. And since the matter of the human body is in flux and changes moment to moment with or without subluxations, it also cannot be judged by the educated intelligence. There would never be enough activity in any educated mind to ever be capable to “supervise” the limitless innate intelligence.
I think that research need not be dismissed, but today Chiropractors do not attempt to try to prove the existence of the subluxation afraid that the search fails.
I partially agree with Paulo, but I think we want to talk about science, we have to prove the subluxation and then the adjustment. Or leave the science aside, because what is wrong is to continue researching back pain, Asthma, etc.
Most of the “scientific” heavy-heads poo-poo Chiropractic saying we don’t use scientific evidence but anecdotal. Well guess what! anecdotal evidence is what changed my life, saved my life and led me to become a Chiropractor. Which I stand on w/ no apologies.
Where’s all the Scientific research behind vaccines just to name one.
Straight,
I do appreciate your post very much.
How scientific is our analysis as well as our pre- and post-checks?
How can there be a scientific analysis for the human body? It is in a state of constant flux. It will NEVER be duplicated. Cells are replaced at the rate of 500,000 per second.
Even subluxations are in flux. ONLY the innate intelligence of the body can deal with constant motion, not educated intelligence. We still need to be as specific as we possibly can IN OUR UNDERSTANDING of the present moment. Science, in my opinion, is completely useless with regard to the metaphysical component of the mental impulse. And matter, as stated above, is in constant flux. The ONLY analysis in my view is the ART of determining what the innate intelligence of the body is doing with the working and taut muscles of the spine (tones) which are also always in flux. Chiropractic analysis is really and art-form.
The SCIENCE of chiropractic is pretty much limited to the anatomy of the spine and the nerve system. I just learned a few weeks ago that the function of the efferent nerve to the retina of the eye is absolutely unknown to the entire world. Wow! What can science do with this in 2012? More research? Sure! For WHAT?
Pre-checks… Post-checks… in the scheme of things are the in realm of the innate intelligence of the body. We locate the subluxation. We artfully analyze the subluxation the way we choose in order to determine its listing. Then we choose the appropriate technique and introduce a specific thrust with the proper line-o-drive, with the appropriate body placement, positioning ourselves on the correct contact point of the subluxated vertebra. Then our work is finished. PERIOD.
The outcome is up to the innate intelligence of the body which cannot be judged by the educated intelligence which uses the educated brain and is limited by limitations of its matter. And since the matter of the human body is in flux and changes moment to moment with or without subluxations, it also cannot be judged by the educated intelligence. There would never be enough activity in any educated mind to ever be capable to “supervise” the limitless innate intelligence.
Hey Claude,
You and Joe have now repeated the same line,”The SCIENCE of chiropractic is pretty much limited to the anatomy of the spine and the nerve system.” I think this is unfair and untrue. The science of chiropractic must be about (not limited to) the spine and nerve system because that is what chiropractic is. The more we know about the S/NS the better we can analyze and adjust. Better we would ask, how much present day chiro. research is about the relationship between the S and NS?
Also, there is a wealth of data on the health benefits of chiro. care. Starting with DD Palmer, we have records relating to all sorts of “conditions”. Go online and look at the research periodicals. The last time I was at the IRAPS (annual event at Sherman College) there were 2 days of research presentations on conditions as well as performance enhancement. If not for these tabulations we might still be in DD’s (limited) mode of reconnecting man and spirit.
I understand there is no research proving Innate Intelligence, at one time there was no evidence for prayer/distance healing either. Metaphysical concepts defy physical standards but that doesn’t make them unprovable.
We know chiropractic is good for all vertebrates in all phases of their lives and we have lots of proof!
Steve,
It’s fine that there is a “wealth of data on the health benefits of chiro. care”. DD, BJ, IRAPS, all that is WHAT took place in the past and it was NECESSARY. We are where we are today as a result of that work. Now is today and we have broken the code of knowledge on a very microscopic level and it gives us reason to realize that it is much BIGGER than we could have ever imagine. –
– Dan Lorenc WHO is an engineer from MIT is using his knowledge of the DNA which he said is comprised of pair of molecules. Each pair can be one of four choices. For example: The genome of the H1N1 virus is comprised of 26,022 pairs long. That’s for ONE virus!!
WHAT would be the number of pairs of molecules for the genomes of a flea, a fly, a bird, a cat, a human being???? You get the point? This is beyond the educated mind…. ALL we can do is learn more and more and more which leads to understanding less and less and less. We are left SPEECHLESS and in AWE confronted by the LAW of life called innate intelligence. –
– Chiropractic is a way of restoring FLOW of WHAT is known and unknown. This is WHY as a NTOSC it is you WHO chooses to LACVS. PERIOD! –
– “The more we learn about the LIVING human body, the less we understand the LIVING human body.” Claude Lessard